Basic psychology will tell you about skeptics mindsets. They cannot deal with such startling things properly. I believe it's called 'actualization of fears' in proper terms. Just like most necrophiliacs, they turn a fear of death into an insatiable obsession, skeptics turn a fear of reality is not what I have been told and turn it into reality is what big brother tells me.

This is the best I can explain it right now under the current H20 and caffeine binge I'm under atm. It's not once a nonbeliever always a skeptic either. Just because someone denies one thing that, in their opinion, just isn't true or has not enough evidence, does not mean the person is to be labeled skeptic. They could easily believe millions of other conspiracy theories.

The problem I have with skeptics the most is ...

A: they seem to think their 5000000 points haven't already been thought out and researched by the enthusiasts as well!

It is like....no duh! I have seen a real UFO, yet I TOO know that some fuzzy light wiggling around proved NOTHING etc.....
DUH!!!!!!!

The video you talked about rocks!

and then their PROOF! PROOF! PROOF! cry bugs me too... well if it was me an a group of hikers who saw it, and we all said it together you might believe us, but if someone over there NOT in our group saw, it someone there, but only one fro OUR group reports it, the 3 seperate people are not the same as a group all at once etc....

OR the number one........ they point out spelling and grammer!!!!! WTH????

I have seen a few UFO's and now I am supposed to be a super speller and typist???? GEESH!

I'm sadly more sceptic now since joining this site a few years ago.
And since I've yet to see a clear unfuzzy video of a UFO, even the UFO vid the OP mentioned is of awful quality, I personally can't believe any vids that I see anymore.

Anyone remember the good UFO vid that was I think made in haiti (I could be wrong) a couple of years ago? It was clear as day, and probably the best I've ever seen. It turned out it was fake due to the cgi replication of the palm trees in the street.

Well that done it for me. A UFO vid that convinced so many (the thread was well over a 100 pages long) proved to me that they can all be faked.

I personally stick to written testimonies, radar, and admittedly a few NASA images/videos.

Imagine how crap this site would be if we didn't have sceptics.

I dont know why the word Skeptic is almost a dirty word on this site.

Being a skeptic certainly does not mean non-believer.

I for one believe in ET life and that it is a distinct possibility that this planet has indeed been visited by them.

That does not mean that every light in the sky or crappy youtube video I see stands as proof of their existence.

The video being talked about does indeed show UFO's. As in what the acronym stands for, not little green men.

The motto of this board is "Deny Ignorance" so why do so many get their shorts in a bunch when people do just that and try to determine the truth rather than having the wool pulled over their eyes?

In reality there is no "skeptics" or "believers" in ufology, the real ufologists are the ones who act scientific in their research, remaining as neutral as humanly possible when reviewing cases. Sure human imperfections show up and sometimes we take one 'side of the fence' more than the other but for the most part a real and good ufologist only looks at the facts and remains open to all, no case has been confirmed real beyond a doubt, but there has been many confirmed hoaxes without a doubt. Think about that, and think about how the only way to discover the truth is to scientifically analyze the data, not blindly saying anything we see in the sky or hear online is alien related.

Unfortunately ufology has some people on two very biased sides, one being psuedoskeptics and the other being psuedobeleivers, both are bad for ufology and both are holding us back. These people are the ones that have reasons OTHER than pursuit of the truth in mind when researching UFOs, they are simply trying to prove or disprove UFOs and ultimately aliens for their own selfish purposes, whether that is to preserve their own ideology or to create their own reality, either way it is wrong. Balancing between these two ends of the 'ufology spectrum' is the only way to proceed productively.

I am never afraid to admit I was wrong, regardless how much I wanted to be right. For example, in the "orb thread" that this OP references I thought there was no way balloons could possibly be what we saw, in fact I got quite irate about that explanation and I am sorry. But after ATS member TheMythLives posted some good videos and explanations I now think it a decent probability that what we see in that video is a balloon/CGI combination. I am not afraid to admit that because my ego, I am not going to get in the way of the ultimate goal of ufology-THE TRUTH.

In conclusion, ufology can be a VERY stressful field due to its very nature, but this is NOT the "skeptics" fault, like I said any real ufologist is a skeptic because he/she investigates all facts and remains as unbiased as possible until a likely explanation can be found, regardless if it is swamp gas or a Pleadian mothership. A real ufologist is also a "believer" because he/she believes that something strange is indeed going on that needs to be investigated and has not been properly documented before by science. So the real problem here in my opinion is internal bickering between the same people with the same goals, some just have a different idea on how to go about reaching the truth than others, and this must stop.Really the ultimate goal of ufology should not be to prove aliens exist, it should be to determine what the hell these things flying around in our skies and sometimes crashing really are! This is my opinion on the matter anyways.



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lol the title of this thread is funny.

Thats all.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
I'm sadly more sceptic now since joining this site a few years ago.
And since I've yet to see a clear unfuzzy video of a UFO, even the UFO vid the OP mentioned is of awful quality, I personally can't believe any vids that I see anymore.

Anyone remember the good UFO vid that was I think made in haiti (I could be wrong) a couple of years ago? It was clear as day, and probably the best I've ever seen. It turned out it was fake due to the cgi replication of the palm trees in the street.

Well that done it for me. A UFO vid that convinced so many (the thread was well over a 100 pages long) proved to me that they can all be faked.

I personally stick to written testimonies, radar, and admittedly a few NASA images/videos.

Imagine how crap this site would be if we didn't have sceptics.

The Haiti video seemed very CGI to me, i spotted it after watching the video a couple of times. I always say if a UFO vid is to clean then it's usually computer generated.

It seems plejaranlyran is no more.

Seven days on ATS and banned.

Perhaps his extremely vocal desire to suppress freedom of speech wasn’t the best approach after all…

While I do believe in life outside of our little planet, I feel there is a need for the skeptics or debunkers as it really does filter a lot of the crap people put out there.

However, when faced with a totally unexplainable event, it seems you do hear the dame old story.....swamp gas,lightning,balloons.....

I think the divisions in Ufology are as vast and pervasive as the divisions within, say, the Christian church and its multitude of denominations. Each claims to, and may have, the truth. But if you gather up all of these truths and hold them up against one another, obvious contradictions pop up.

I can be labeled a skeptic, and a believer, based on the responses I've given in UFO discussion forums; I value insights from both camps (not trying to imply a black and white divide). I come here mainly for perspective, not quick to judge or jump to conclusions.

To say that one disdains skeptics, or disdains believers, is a regression of argument. We're all after the same thing. Any guesses as to what that thing is?

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