How I Lost My Daughter to Paradise - Jehovah's Witnesses, page 9
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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:33 AM by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by shortywarn



PEOPLE read the whole thread. Her mom is dead, the child in question is now 27 with children of her own, the op's other children were also taken away from her by the courts (not the grandmother).
Stop, read and use your head.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:43 AM by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by Hazelnut



Oh great more excuses, now it is financial. What happened to the JW angle? If you had started a thread about how you were screwed in the courts because you did not have the financial means to fight I would be more sympathetic but you have blamed anything and everyone else but yourself.
Your children now support you, not the vibe you gave off on your other posts. you are just looking for sympathy points to add to your pity party.
this makes me so angry because those children were robbed and you continue to only unload on others and refuse to accept the blame.
I am a mother and I will not let you twist this into your own attention seeking drama party without pointing out what those children endured and where you are at fault.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:45 AM by lucentenigma
Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to
post by TheMythLives



ok you may think you know all about this but you do not

I LIVED this exact story in my Life!

Religion is not the problem here. The problem is the biological parents reluctance to accept responsibility and face up to their mistakes.



Well I do know alot about this.

I was born into the Jehovah's Witness and was a third generation JDub.
My Father was an elder in the Kingdom Hall for many years and pretty much every aspect of my life centered around the Jdubs's and the Kingdom Hall.

I was raised as a JDub until the age of 13. I was pretty headstrong kid and at the age of 13 I told my Dad straight up I am making the decision not to go to "meetings" (what Jdub's call going to church). I guess he felt like he wasn't going to fight me on it because he pretty much said okay. Three years later I was put on a flight down south to "visit" my mother for the summer (who was no longer a JDub). I found out from my Mom that my Dad was not going to let me come back and live there, he pretty much kicked me out and told my Mom that he didn't want an unbeliever living in his home.

My older sister was disfellowshipped a few years ago. She broke one of the Jdubs "policy's" while she was having a mental breakdown. Did the great JDubs comfort my sister who was a Jehovah's Witness her whole life? Nope, they kicked her out and shunned her, not even my uncle and aunt who she was very close with (and also the only family in the same state) and my little cousins that she took care of would say a word to her. Well I helped wake her up to the JDub's history and policy's and thankfully she decided never to go back. She is happy as ever doing very well in her life.

Anyways my point is JDub's are a cult who do destroy family's with there shunning policy among others. I know this first hand.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:46 AM by Hazelnut
reply to post by SEEWHATUDO



All our knowledge has its origins in our perceptions. ~Leonardo da Vinci

Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes! ~Leonardo da Vinci


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:49 AM by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by TheMythLives



SHE is not reaching out, she is looking for a pity party.
I will not just stand by and let you all pat her on the head without pointing out the obvious.
Yes I am embarrassed for ATS and I believe that if you opened your eyes and reread her posts you would be too. Do not let the religious angle blind you to her actions as a mother and her lack of sympathy for HER OWN CHILDREN but plenty of sympathy for herself.
I do not care for religion, I am not religious and if this was a true case of religon screwed someone (again) I would jump on board with both feet but IT IS NOT.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:53 AM by SEEWHATUDO
reply to post by Hazelnut



Yes Hazelnut, read them and soak it up.

You know my Granddaddy was a baptist preacher, maybe i should start a thread blaming all of my horrendous childhood and any and all mistakes I have made as a parent and blame it own theBaptist. What do you think?
Or maybe I just accept that I made these mistakes and work hard to correct them. Which one is less ignorant?


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:58 AM by TheMythLives
reply to post by SEEWHATUDO





SHE is not reaching out, she is looking for a pity party.
I will not just stand by and let you all pat her on the head without pointing out the obvious.
Yes I am embarrassed for ATS and I believe that if you opened your eyes and reread her posts you would be too. Do not let the religious angle blind you to her actions as a mother and her lack of sympathy for HER OWN CHILDREN but plenty of sympathy for herself.
I do not care for religion, I am not religious and if this was a true case of religon screwed someone (again) I would jump on board with both feet but IT IS NOT.


You need to CALM DOWN.. Seriously. At the rate your going your going to wind up saying something really bad that is going to get you a warning. So just take a chill pill and RELAX. I have reread her posts and I have talked to the OP in detail. She is a kind woman, I am sure you have not talked to her one on one? Why call her out?

Do you have proof that she is playing for pity? I take that as no. So once again your preception is that she is playing for pity. So that in turn reverts to theory, which then reverts to OPINION. So your oonion is that you are on a hero crusade to crush the OP all because her ordeal is not all about religion?

Is it me or is this faulty logic? I apologize OP, the derailment will not last much longer.

In essence you could have just contacted Hazelnut through u2u instead of derail her thread and PERSONALLY attack her. Do it the responsible way and the childish way.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 11:45 AM by TheMythLives
reply to post by ninecrimes



You need to calm down to. Talk like that is going to give you a warning and banned if you continue. We have already settled this. If you want to cal someone out Contact them through a u2u! And stop derailing this thread!

Again:

If you want to call someone out contact them through u2u!

I am not sure whats going on today... just calm down people. We all have different opinions, but we need to discuss them civily or not discuss them at all.

And she (ladyinwaiting) is not those things that you listed by the way, you have no grounds to talk since you do not know her. You have knowledge of her, but you do not know/understand her. Thats your opinion of her. So stop derailing this thread and lets get back on track.

Also your psychological analysis was a little twisted.

So just calm down.

[edit on Jul 6th 2009 by TheMythLives]



reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 12:18 PM by Dreamwatcher
Muzzleflash,

1. I was adopted when I was five, I knew my mother and father. I understand the reasons my mother put me up. My father was extremely abusive and I have some memory of events.

2. IT HAS NOT FOLLOWED AND EFFECTED ME FOR MY WHOLE LIFE!

Get over it, millions of children are given up for adoption by STRANGERS and grow up healthy, happy and successful.

Just because YOU allow yourself to have pity parties and allow your life situation effect you forever for some odd reason, does not mean every child will grow up that way.

The OP sent her child to live with the child's grandmother, hardly dropping her off with a stranger in order to join the military and go through basic training. How many times a year do you think this happens? What about soldiers that are deployed? Are they also horrible parents because they leave the child with a family member while they serve? Should all soldiers give up there children to the state because it would be so horrible to leave that child with a family member while they serve?


As a added note: My wife was also adopted as a child and is a happy, healthy successful person. I met her biological mother last year and it was a wonderful experience. Your reasoning that children that are even temporary left with a family member is complete crap. I suggest you get counseling for all these problems you supposing are having because of your life situation. A little real research on the subject of adopted children might be helpful also.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 12:34 PM by illece
reply to post by exile1981



Sorry exile 1981 your post is a lie (either intentionally or unintentionally.)

I have been a jehovah's witness for more than twenty six years,i will admit i have begun doubting some of the teachings.

But the part where you wrote that your friends dad beat her with a belt because she would not join the religion is far fetched ....i am not saying he did not hit her with a belt ,because like all religions we have good and bad,but i bet he hit her for other thing besides the religion, but if she had gone to the body of elders they would have put a stop to it or disfellowshipped him.But the part where you wrote that the older sister who was converted slept around and was supposedly doing gods work is slander!!!
When my son was courting his wife they had to be chaperoned at all times until there marriage(must admit it was tedious.

And as for the ritual purifying of the five year old who had been sexually abused ,would have been better in short story section



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