We are all the products of the choices we make in life.

You chose to have a child at 21 when you were not in a position to support either it, or yourself, forcing you to rely first on others, and then (naturally) on the state.

Of all the possible careers open to you, you then chose arguably the worst for a single parent, and one guaranteed to take you away from your child both during training, and any overseas assignments - the military, placing your child with a woman you knew to be unbalanced, and then marrying a violent drunk somewhere along the way.

After all this, we are supposed to vilify the Jehovah's Witnesses for the evil and destruction they have visited on your life via your mother, and their destructive "cult".

Well I'm sorry, but when you want to find someone to blame for what has happened in your life, and more importantly in the life of your child, don't curse at the heavens, try a mirror.

I read this somewhere and it stuck with me, concerning our mistakes:

Sometimes we have to forgive ourselves for being YOUNG.

I cringe thinking about some of the things I did when I was in my teens and twenties. I think maybe we (those of us who are grown), all do.

It's a point worth thinking about. At least, for us imperfect humans.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
I read this somewhere and it stuck with me, concerning our mistakes:

Sometimes we have to forgive ourselves for being YOUNG.

I cringe thinking about some of the things I did when I was in my teens and twenties. I think maybe we (those of us who are grown), all do.

It's a point worth thinking about. At least, for us imperfect humans.

Instead of simply forgiving yourself for it, you should try to recognize your mistakes and grow from them. Then, maybe you wouldn't be a "grown adult" who is still ranting online about the horrendous deeds of their childhood?

Maybe if instead of just "forgiving", if you had actually GROWN, you wouldn't be such a failure? Maybe if you had GROWN from your mistakes, your children wouldn't be destined to continue down the same path you never saw the end of?

I just hope everyone sees my point, which is that this thread is nothing but a selfish cry for sympathy, and at no point acknowledges the fact that these children were born illegitimately, and to an admitted alcoholic, abusive man... How much common sense does it take to see through the woes for sympathy, to the core- which is a stupid girl who probably peaked in high school and boinked the star of her high school football team, only to realize in the end, that she should have been leading a more productive life, rather than reproducing several times as a teen?

Originally posted by ninecrimes

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
I read this somewhere and it stuck with me, concerning our mistakes:

Sometimes we have to forgive ourselves for being YOUNG.

I cringe thinking about some of the things I did when I was in my teens and twenties. I think maybe we (those of us who are grown), all do.

It's a point worth thinking about. At least, for us imperfect humans.

I just hope everyone sees my point, which is that this thread is nothing but a selfish cry for sympathy, and at no point acknowledges the fact that these children were born illegitimately, and to an admitted alcoholic, abusive man... How much common sense does it take to see through the woes for sympathy, to the core- which is a stupid girl who probably peaked in high school and boinked the star of her high school football team, only to realize in the end, that she should have been leading a more productive life, rather than reproducing several times as a teen?

Ahem, if you had read the whole thread you would have learned that I was married to each of my children's fathers. What part of married is illegitimate? You also would have learned that my mother abandoned me and my siblings when I was almost 14 years old after dumping my real father and marrying his brother. I did not attend high school since I was busy working and trying to survive as a homeless, unwanted teenager for six years. Just so ya know, my IQ is extremely high, I never give up and never quit. I have overcome more in the first 30 years of my life than you will ever have the misfortune to experience. You could learn something from me that would make your life and the life of those closest to you - BETTER.

I don't want sympathy from you or even understanding. You are entitled to think and feel whatever you choose.

You are a piece of work, ya know?

I am embarrassed for ATS that this is on the front page. many of you have legitimate issues with JW's but the OP just has an excuse for a pity party and many of you have been duped into supporting the OPs delusions of innocenece. Anyone who has had a tough go of it and has children can see that the OP is blaming everyone else but herself and it is all about how SHE has been wronged.
Have you people actually read the entire thread before posting your support? the oldest daughter is now 27, the mother is dead, ALL of her children were eventually taken away from her LEGALLY ALL of them not just the "favorite" of the grandmother. Her children said their 3rd stepfather sexually abused them and she " just did not believe them" with no investigation.
I agree that religions in all shapes and forms can cause great grief but in this case it is maybe 15% religion and 85% delusional birth mother.
Hindsight is great if you are willing to see YOUR mistakes and strive to make amends with those you have hurt but that it is not the case here. OP sees everyones else at fault and only strives to be relieved of her own guilt.

I feel for ya honey. Got 2 of my own. If I thought for a second anyone in my family was gonna pull something like that, there might have been a mysterious death in the family. My children deserve a break from my family's dysfunctional past, if only for the fact that they are innocent of it. My heart breaks for you. Unless they've been wholly brainwashed, get them back at all costs, but do it smartly.


PG

i feel so bad for you,,,,,




but,,,, you have gotten some great feedback from members,,,,,,

i would send a copy of this whole thread to your mom,,,, granted she's so brainwashed it wouldn't change anything,,,, but maybe, just maybe it would make a little wrinkle on her

of course erase all evidence of ats,, and the conspiracy part,,,,, your mom,,, that crazy b-tch would surely use that against you in the future as well,,, right????


ps.,, i don't get jehovah's wit,,,, if only 38,000 get in heaven,,,, would you go around trying to recruite more people,,,,, that seems rather backwards to me

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
I am embarrassed for ATS that this is on the front page. many of you have legitimate issues with JW's but the OP just has an excuse for a pity party and many of you have been duped into supporting the OPs delusions of innocenece. Anyone who has had a tough go of it and has children can see that the OP is blaming everyone else but herself and it is all about how SHE has been wronged.
Have you people actually read the entire thread before posting your support? the oldest daughter is now 27, the mother is dead, ALL of her children were eventually taken away from her LEGALLY ALL of them not just the "favorite" of the grandmother. Her children said their 3rd stepfather sexually abused them and she " just did not believe them" with no investigation.
I agree that religions in all shapes and forms can cause great grief but in this case it is maybe 15% religion and 85% delusional birth mother.
Hindsight is great if you are willing to see YOUR mistakes and strive to make amends with those you have hurt but that it is not the case here. OP sees everyones else at fault and only strives to be relieved of her own guilt.

None of my children were taken from me legally. Two were taken illegally, by force and manipulation. Two were taken in a divorce that I could not fight financially. Getting a loan to pay for a divorce and custody of the minors was not possible. Since, I did not have the means to pay for an attorney, nor the family support needed to raise children, I was not able to get custody of my youngest two.

The sexual abuse allegations were lies. It only took 8 years to prove it. By then it was too late.

All of my children will defend me with their dying breaths because they know what happened. We are all wiser and better for the turmoil that has been set upon our paths.

As for your embarrassment for ATS? Write a post asking to have this removed. Good luck.