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How I Lost My Daughter to Paradise - Jehovah's Witnesses

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posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Buddy I'm sorry to hear your own little tragedy, however, I think you are jumping to conclusions, and your idea of selfishness it correct - to a point. Your motive in comparing your story to this woman's is merely trying to make more drama and one might think you just wanted some attention yourself. Have you ever been a parent that is unable to support a growing young child? Have you ever been in a relationship where your partner doesn't give a # about you and abuses substances and wastes his/her life and yours? You may have suffered as a kid, but this woman suffered as a parent, and had to accept the fact she had to change in order to care and support her helpless daughter. I can understand the military thing - 6 months or so of being away and then you have a job, a career, and a path forward. I don't think she purposely gave her child to her mom with the thought of "of my crazy batty bible-quotin' ma is gonna do my job for me while I disappear and heal my own wounds" or something like that. Turned out to be a bad move but that doesn't mean you can chastise her for it. Everyone makes mistakes - that's being a human and experiencing growth. It is a shame that Religion can do this to people. We always hear the bright side of things from the faithful on this site, however there is a truly dark and destructive edge to these cultish type religions.




posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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joho's are just like scientology or the kool-aid cult.

actually i was "courted" by a few joho's - every one of them is a missionary. god they are annoying lol.

if they come to my house i'm gonna tell them i'm a satanist.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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I try not to make judgements without hearing both sides of the story, but Im kinda wondering why you didnt go to your chain of command and tell them the story.

Surely they could have helped you in any legal matter.

Other than that, having an extremely religious mother myself, I sympathize. Thank her God she is not JW. I probably would not let her live with me...



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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This story is tragic, and interwoven with injustices. For all parties involved.

I think it is more complicated than we here, can ever realize.

It's too late for your mother to be a mother for you, and that in and of itself is tragic. I hope you were able to come to some kind of understanding before she died. For your sake.

But it's not too late for you. You can be (and are) a bigger woman than your mother. The court papers say TPR, but we know, as do your daughters, that can never be.

Do what you need to do.

My best to you. Your story has touched me. It's painful, real, and not yet over. There are more chapters yet to come. Have faith in that.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Hazelnut

...long story short...8 years later I was reunited with my girls, one at a time after they each had a child of their own. They each confirmed the lies originated with my mother and her congregation.


That's awesome that you've been reunited with them. I hope you are able to have a great relationship with your grandchildren.

I got in touch with my husband's real mom after giving birth to our daughter, because I wanted her to know about her grand-daughter, see pictures, etc. My husband didn't like the idea initially. He said "She left me, so she doesn't deserve to know how wonderful her grandchild is"... but I didn't stop emailing her and he eventually began to support it.

I don't understand though, how was it not sinful in some way, for your mother and her congregation to lie, and to encourage children to lie? I don't think the "Chosen People" should be so malicious and dishonest, but hey, that's just me. I don't have much experience with the JW religion (maybe thankfully).

I've never had a JW come to my door to convert me... perhaps I'm the last one and as soon as I say "no thanks" Armageddon will be unleashed upon the world. Instead, maybe I'll ask them to come in and have a cup of coffee and interrupt them with political topics, so they never get to ask me to convert.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Hazelnut

I hope you don't mind terribly, but I am posting this for the benefit of those that don't know much about Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm one myself, so of course I come at it from a different angle.

It's a trailer to a documentary about Jehovah's Witnesses called "Knocking", which aired on PBS about two years ago. There is a lot of misconceptions and erroneous things said on this thread.... I am at the edge of my chair wanting to address each one, but I'll respect your thread, and I'll let it take it's course. Hopefully, this will be my last post on this thread.



"Knocking" documentary website

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[edit on 5-7-2009 by holywar]



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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It's awesome you're reunited with your kids.
I hope your mom too can get off the kool aid.




posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by holywar
Hazelnut

I hope you don't mind terribly, but I am posting this for the benefit of those that don't know much about Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm one myself, so of course I come at it from a different angle.

It's a trailer to a documentary about Jehovah's Witnesses called "Knocking", which aired on PBS about two years ago. There is a lot of misconceptions and erroneous things said on this thread.... I am at the edge of my chair wanting to address each one, but I'll respect your thread, and I'll let it take it's course. Hopefully, this will be my last post on this thread.



"Knocking" documentary website

More about us


So it's not true that JW's believe every person who isn't JW will be wiped off the planet by God and will burn in Hell?



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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JW is a cult, they are similar to Scientology in their beliefs that anything that is not part of them is evil and if you look at contradicting information (like the many old Watchtower mags that got it wrong), you are breaking the rules.

If you suspect a JW at the door or any pair or group of people with reading material in their hands, open the door in your underwear and with something rusty and sharp in your hands.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by wutone
JW is a cult, they are similar to Scientology in their beliefs that anything that is not part of them is evil and if you look at contradicting information (like the many old Watchtower mags that got it wrong), you are breaking the rules.

If you suspect a JW at the door or any pair or group of people with reading material in their hands, open the door in your underwear and with something rusty and sharp in your hands.


I don't condone violence, even to a group like that. I pity Joho's, they are weak slaves. Just as Tom Cruise has no idea L. Ron Hubbard was a megalomaniac freak who tortured his own daughter and basically lived as a pirate on his private ship, Joho's do not realize the founder of their religion was probably a child molester and definitely a wife abuser.

ALL cult leaders seem to be sexual perverts and narcissists. Pretty much every single one!



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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Sad that you seem defeated...

You might get your girl back, yet ; adapt and overcome !

Religious people ( the true believers ) are completely pathological... you can ' t reason OR ARGUE with them.

You will have to become a JW, infiltrate the system that has your child , lie alot , praise alot , and do what it takes. Try time release narcotics... this can help you get through it ( I' m absolutely not joking... I wouldn 't ! ). Just do whatever it takes.

Good luck



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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You should have taken out a life insurance policy on your worthless mother and another on your scumbag husband, and then staged a little accident.

Honestly, the problem with America is that the justice system protects the rich, not the innocent.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Skelkie3


Religious people ( the true believers ) are completely pathological... you can ' t reason OR ARGUE with them.



It's a form of mental slavery really. Clever and emotionless people create these religions as a way to enslave people and feed their ego, and the weak-minded buy into it. Other people pretend to believe out of fear that they will be executed, tortured or imprisoned if they don't.

I'm talking about cults though, not spirituality. Scientific materialism is also somewhat of a religion/cult - the belief in the mundane, that science can solve everything and that the human brain of a scientist is the pinnacle of creation. That's why they would much rather find germs or slugs than intelligent technological life on another planet.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by mattifikation
You should have taken out a life insurance policy on your worthless mother and another on your scumbag husband, and then staged a little accident.

Honestly, the problem with America is that the justice system protects the rich, not the innocent.


Agree totally on the justice system, disagree on the murder suggestion. That would make her worse than both of them and she is not!



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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So it's not true that JW's believe every person who isn't JW will be wiped off the planet by God and will burn in Hell?


no, that is not true.

We believe that God requires certain things from each and every one of us. And it's our choice whether or not we meet those requirements.

We (as a group that is) are trying very hard to meet those requirements as set in the Bible. But it is not our place to judge, ultimately, God is The Judge.

We don't believe in a "burning hell".

What does God require of us?



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Everyone bashing the JW's and calling them a cult needs to step back and look at all religion, you find this stuff in every religion on this planet not just Jehovah's Witnesses. Why jump on them? You got preachers in other religions molesting kids, yet people still worship that religion and nothing more is ever said.

Ill be honest, Some of the JW's I have met are the nicest people I have met. same goes with Christians, Muslims. Catholics, Baptist, and other religions I did not mention. You have just come upon some bad ones and that is not cool, but again EVERY RELIGION HAS THEM.

I am not religious in the least and feel that EVERY single religion is a business and scare tactic to keep people in line. People need something to believe in or they will fall for anything, so they saying goes.

Them being a Jehovah Witness has nothing to do with it, Your mother could have been a Catholic and this would still have happened based on the story you told. KEEP THAT IN MIND.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Hello,

I am sorry to hear of your circumstances which words very seldom ease.
This, as you are aware of, is not the way things should be. Do not give up is the only words of wisdom that can change your perceptions of your reality.
Good luck and stay persistant.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:27 PM
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Shame on you for allowing your daughter to be stolen from you. If your kid believed you were the devil then you should have moved far away from your ignorant family. You should have told her that there is no such thing as god, demons, angels and all that other mystical fairy tale nonsense.

Your first mistake was leaving your kid with your mother when you knew the wench was a religious nutbag and would be indoctrinating and abusing your child. You should have found someone else to take care of her. If my kids ever fell for such ridiculous nonsense I'd knock hem upside their head.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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i am a jehova's witness myself and you are not force feed these ideas. like in any religion, you can choose to be a member or not. we go door to door to spread a message that is written in the bible. not many people go preaching as they should. i also think that "Hazelnut" should of contacted the elders of the congregation. what ur mother did was wrong for doin what she did. is not the religions fault, is some certain individuals. we grespect everyones decision.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Jehovah's Witnesses. Jeezel Pete! I have no idea how these people learned of my wife's name. But they came to us last year. A woman, oooh, she was hot looking,
and she asked for my wife by name. My wife went outside to talk to them. They insisted my wife take a book from them on how to have a good marriage. This woman and her husband had been married a year and had all the answers. lol. My wife and I have been married for 34 years, we don't have all the answers, but we get along well and love each other. Getting lectured to by newcomers was a bit irritating. My wife turned the tables on them, and said, thank you for your book, but, however, if you need some counseling on how to have a successful marriage, please feel free to come visit us again and we will impart upon you some real wisdom. lol. And being the rascal I am, I added, wow, you got great legs and ass, I hope your husband knows what to do with them. Heh. And my wife smacked me in the head.

Meanwhile, OP. I hope your daughter is soon rid of these scoundrels. To me, they are the Devil's work.





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