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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:22 AM by atlasastro
reply to post by weedwhacker


Yeah, you are on the ball.
I thought It might be on the bottom of the windows.

Great pic.
I wonder if the pilots reported anything?


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:43 AM by 0nce 0nce
Originally posted by DaMod
Cant determine..... what!?!?


Yes, you can't determine the distance of the object in question on a 2D image that doesn't have depth of field.


Originally posted by DaMod
We have multiple points of reference including the most obvious ones.


Uh, nobody can do anything with points of reference on an object that has never been seen before.

Originally posted by DaMod
We have gunk on the window to determine the distance from window to camera.


Care to tell us the distance? All you can do is guess. How do you know if the camera is zoomed in, or actually physically close? You can't, with just one image.



Originally posted by DaMod
We have a jet engine both to use as a point of reference.


Nobody said anything about points of reference. Even then, points of reference are basically pointless on a 2D image of an object that doesn't have anything next to it.


Originally posted by DaMod
A droplet surviving on a window at 500 mph?


Who says it's "surviving", how do you know the droplet didn't just get there when he took the picture? It's not a video camera. It's a single frame.

A water drop could have condensed there. You know what condensation is? Sure hope so.

The drop could have originated from the front of the jet, and slid all the way down the side of the aircraft.

Actually, water is attracted to static electricity, and the outside of aircraft are statically charged when they are flying.

Originally posted by DaMod
It cant be ice, because at those altitudes water becomes supercooled without turning to ice. Here is a link to scientific information that will give you some idea of what I'm talking about here. I can't quote it because it's in PDF.


NASA about aviation weather;
virtualskies.arc.nasa.gov...

One of the major weather hazards to aviation is icing.



The most dangerous icing takes place over the windward side of ridges and above the crests. This icing zone can extend 5,000 feet or higher above the top of the mountain.



If he provides more pictures we might actually be able to see if he is flying over any mountains or ridges.

If he doesn't want to post any more images, I could also conclude that he isn't telling the truth.

Originally posted by DaMod
/sigh



/sigh, you try to hard.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:55 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by 0nce 0nce



NASA about aviation weather;
virtualskies.arc.nasa.gov...


One of the major weather hazards to aviation is icing.



The most dangerous icing takes place over the windward side of ridges and above the crests. This icing zone can extend 5,000 feet or higher above the top of the mountain.


All well and good data you brought in, Once Once, but unfortunately irrelevant to a B737 cruising above the clouds, in very clear air.

AND, the jet is obviously over water....look at the World Map, and you will see the route from Portugal to the UK

A little about the Sun's angle, again. As I stated previously, the Sun is above and to the right, assuming the airplane is on course from Portugal to the UK. It is May, and naturally in the Northern Hemisphere. The object in question is lit from the right, and shadowed on the left.

I won't say definitely what it is, I just point out what it is not.

As others have pointed out, it is only one photo, so we have no information as to relative motion, etc. How long it was observed, and so forth. The OP will have to supply that data.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 01:06 PM by azureskys
reply to post by Krystian


Thank you Krystian.
The object did look triangular and smooth, but with your blow up it appears to be more of an elongated shape with an uneven surface.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 01:16 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by azureskys


...but with your blow up it appears to be more of an elongated shape with an uneven surface.


We should be careful with assumptions. There's a little matter of something called 'pixellation' when something (especially digital) is enlarged greatly.

In old-fashioned photographic film emulsions, it was the size of the 'grains', as they were called, that determined the clarity of an image after enlarging. Digital CCDs, while different, can be seenin the same way. That's why the number of MBs is important...more megabytes, smaller the pixels, better the image.



reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 01:46 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by and14263


Nope!

Look at this posted by nablator:

Posted by nablator, on July 6, 2009 at 10:08 GMT

Usually the small hole is at the bottom of the window.


His pic didn't copy/paste, you can see it on Page 2. The vent hole on the inner protective plastic piece is, on the B737, ONE hole at the bottom.

SOME manufacturers do use three small holes, in a horizontal row. Boeing doesn't.

It ISN'T the vent hole, wrong look, wrong position, wrong shadows.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 01:51 PM by and14263
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by and14263


Nope!

Look at this posted by nablator:

Posted by nablator, on July 6, 2009 at 10:08 GMT

Usually the small hole is at the bottom of the window.


His pic didn't copy/paste, you can see it on Page 2. The vent hole on the inner protective plastic piece is, on the B737, ONE hole at the bottom.

SOME manufacturers do use three small holes, in a horizontal row. Boeing doesn't.

It ISN'T the vent hole, wrong look, wrong position, wrong shadows.




Ahh yeah I see that cheers.
It's a pretty intriguing picture, would like to hear some more...


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 04:40 PM by Jim Scott
reply to post by Wobbly Anomaly

Looks real to me. I like that it's posted by "one of us." Helps a lot with credibility. Should show the original, tho. Lighting looks correct to me. I am a former international pilot with thousands of hours. I have flow that route, also. If the pic shows true, it is unidentified.

Or, ;-) maybe it's a suitcase falling out of another baggage compartment...part of the 1 million lost last year...


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 04:42 PM by Wobbly Anomaly
Hi,

here are a couple of pic's i took on the plane, one out of the window, the other of my son next to the window.

www.flickr.com...

www.flickr.com...

Please feel free to download them as i'll delete them when i need the space (i'm only allowed a certain number of images on my image hosting)

Thanks again for all your interest and ideas.

ian
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