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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 01:11 PM by Viking04
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Originally posted by LifeIsPeculiar
reply to post by whoshotJR
"back into a small city area or even a garbage dump to find materials to use..."
Exactly! That is why one of my posts mentioned automobile tires for soles. We do have to assume that we have the necessary skills to make shoes out of
tires. I originally thought that was the topic of the thread; however, it does seem that the thrust is the selection of good quality and appropriate
foot gear.
The only thing that seems to have gone awry on this thread is me. I came along for the self-sufficiency interests, which is not the apparent topic. As
for there being anything left over from a "crash", have you seen a good pair of Aztec shoes recently? Furthermore, life after the general fall of
civilization would not be particularly easy because of the two legged predators. It is, however, a topic that interests me greatly.
I have a modest library of "life skills" books ranging over a wide spectrum of topics. The "Fox Fire Series" is wonderful, but no mention of
shoes. I also keep physics, math, chemistry, biology, machine shop, prospecting, blacksmithing, and many other good books on hand. So, you see, I'm
not trying to be a rabble rouser, I'm just trying to goad these experts a little deeper into their interests. I want that information.
My apologies for the long quote, but I hope to address several points, and not be in the position of taking points out of context.
I cannot speak for the intent of the OP, or for others, but the thread is titled 'How to protect your feet'. I took it to be a general discussion
on keeping your feet in good shape, when prepared, when not prepared, and not necessarily 'How to fabricate footwear'. Now that you have brought it
up, perhaps others may post, as Suzque66 posted her snowshoe info.
Perhaps I am a bit myopic, but when discussing survival (I don't really know what you meant by 'true survival' a couple of posts up.), it is a
whole picture. All of the Indian living skills are good and fine (no cries of racism, please, as my gene pool swerved the Catawba Nation.  ), but as
with any endeavor, you only have so much in time and resources to devote. Also, as this is a general post, read by many, more people can benefit from
a discussion of foot care with some form of modern footwear than without. Most people will have access to shoes, even after a big SHTF. Modern
materials will last a long time. Scrounging a pair (or two) of shoes) saves me a great deal of time making them.
You asked about 'Ho Chi Mihn' sandals. They were essentially tire tread and rope/line. If you check some VietNam sites, you will find pictures,
and possibly methods of manufacture. However, the tires that HCM sandals came from were generally bias-bly. Many that you will find in the US are
steel belted. Bias ply is a bear to cut, steel-belted doubly so. You will find that you will be unable to cut them without stout tools.
As for making other types of footwear, you may want to locate books by and for 'reenactors'. Many of those folks make their own stuff, and it is
generally easy to understand.
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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 01:21 PM by suzque66
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Anyhoo, we are all right and I don't see any point of giving any more advice since the OP hasn't come back to his own thread to give input whether
this is the info he wanted.
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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 01:23 PM by Viking04
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Originally posted by LifeIsPeculiar
Oh, goody! If you really want to discus this sort of situation, then I'm definately game.
Being "without gear" is not necesarily without shoes. It certainly might be without appropriate shoes, but my ever-present Swiss Army Knife or
Leatherman tool. If one were in dire straights on sharp rocky terrain, I suspect the topic of shoes would pop up in a hurry ... maybe even just to
find water.
Here is where you have me confused, now you speak of 'inappropriate' shoes, but you will always have a Swiss Army knife or Leatherman.
My take on that would be that shoes are not your immediate concern. Water, shelter, perhaps even moving to civilization (not quite sure if you are
focusing upon being stranded before or after TSHTF). In a survival situation, there is a hierarchy of needs, which you either prioritize properly or
you don't make it. To me, any form of modern footwear, to include house slippers, would be superior to wasting time making shoes just for the
purpose of the exercise. Again, I may be missing your point. If so I apologize, but your posts seems to be more in the line of heading out in the
woods to play mountain man than living through a real world 'things are really bad' situation. With that having been said, and I mean this
seriously, you may want to make contact with 'Rendezvous' reenactors, that do the Mountain Man/Voyageur period. I expect that you would really
enjoy it. Some of those folks have amazing amounts of information on how the mountain men and early trappers lived for years on end in the deep
woods.
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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 01:50 PM by LifeIsPeculiar
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reply to post by Viking04
"In a survival situation, there is a hierarchy of needs, which you either prioritize properly or you don't make it. To me, any form of modern
footwear, to include house slippers, would be superior to wasting time making shoes just for the purpose of the exercise. Again, I may be missing your
point. "
I suppose I could make a at least once thing clear. Half a lifetime ago I was an "Army Ranger"; and, I do have additional experience in wilderness
survival.
The thrust of my interest is how to protect feet in the really long run. I tend to wear pretty tough shoes that seem to take everyday wear for three
years and counting. Those are what I would be wearing should the SHTF. But, you know, not everybody wears my kind of klunker shoe. I'd still be
interested in thier survival even if my shoes lasted a few more years.
I'm doing the "end of the world" scenareo. No shoe will last more than a few years during rugged use. Do you know how to survive the long haul? I
do in most regards. Except shoes.
Scientists estimate that the last ice age killed off all but about 10,000 people on the entire planet. What was the mean shoemaker density at that
time?
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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 02:01 PM by Viking04
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reply to post by LifeIsPeculiar
OK, you were tabbed. Get involved in Rendezvous and you will be good to go after all the modern equivalents are no longer available.
Time for me to go throw the kiddies into the pool.
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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 02:09 PM by LifeIsPeculiar
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"OK, you were tabbed. Get involved in Rendezvous ..."
That does sound interesting. I bet I stink and cuss well enough to fit in.
I did find some boot/shoe making books through Amazon following a U2U book searching hint.
I'm just crazy like this. "Lucifer's Hammer" was inspiring. Thanks for your willing and friendly stream of good information. Go have fun.
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reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 05:20 PM by Viking04
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reply posted on 25-7-2009 @ 06:54 AM by Aussie Bill
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reply to post by LifeIsPeculiar
I don't know about mocasins, but if you are caught short in the bush, a couple of bits of thick bark tied on to the soles of your feet with some
stringy type of bark, or vines (woven or platted into a string) wors fairly well. They are fairly quick to make (about an hour each 'shoe') They do
wear out much quicker than your average shoe, but you can get a week or two out of each pair, (depending on the thickness of bark and how far you
walk,) particularly if the twine is put through the bark s it wraps up around the foot (so you are not walking over the twine). Sort of looks a bit
like wrap around sandals. For more comfort, you could line it with animal skin. I've never made the skin lined ones, but the others work OK. It
beats bare feet anyway.
HINT - stick some soft mulch or something (skin or hide if you have it) underneath the tie twine, otherwise it may rub blisters on the top of your
foot, where you tie the twine, until it softens
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reply posted on 31-7-2009 @ 03:09 PM by PaddyInf
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It's quite common in poorer areas of the Middle East (among others) to make shoes/sandles from cut-down car tyres and string. It can be combined with
some random cloth tied in place when the weather gets a bit nippy.
We can learn a lot from poorer societies such as those in rural Iraq, simply because they don't come from the throw away society we do. Everything
can be used for something else when you need to.
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