They just waited for the whole destabilization campaign to take place... as Kissinger said, if the coup fails, the US will have to ``regime change`` Iran by force.

And Obama gave Iran until september to stop their nuclear program... the only obstacle to a war MAY be the new UN AIEA director who said that there were no sign that Iran was after nuclear weapons... not a big obstacle since Israel doesn't care about the UN, nor the UN ever enforce any resolutions against Israel.

And the whole economy is supposed to crash again around september-october... so IMO they will strike Iran to divert attention and to ``restart the economy`` as RAND suggested in december 08...saying the stimulus should be used to start a big war, they thought that Iran wasn't big enough... we'll see about that.

The combination of Iran and North Korea should be big enough. I do feel as well that it will be a distraction tactic, and that it will be used to jumpstart the economy so as to make it look like the problems were fixed with the fallible bailout program.

So the same day I hear about Mossad's assurance that the Saudi's won't interfere in any Israeli overflight en route to Iran, Biden says something vaguely similar.

Oh boy. Well, I suppose many will be too busy watching the Michael Jackson circus play out to pay any attention to this.

Man, I hate not having a 'free' press.

It certainly looks like the chess pieces are being moved into place, what with the big pushes recently in Afghanistan, pulling US troops out of Iraqi cities and the statements from the US VP and Israel already mentioned. I would hazard that this is intended to heap pressure onto Iran leading up to an ultimatum from Obama and the US government for Iran to climb down over their nuclear ambitions. If that ultimatum doesn't work then I can see Israel being given the green-light to go ahead with whatever actions they deem necessary. From what I have read of the current Iranian government I can't see them backing down, they already think the West has humiliated their country enough.

Then the US and Britain will be hoping to have at least given the taliban a black-eye in Afghanistan and for Iraq to be relatively quiet so that they have the forces on hand to assist should there be any serious response by Iran or Israel's neighbours.

I'm not sure why we (Britain) always need to get involved though, what with the war of words with Iran recently and the constant reporting in the press of how 'dangerous' Iran is, it seems we'll be dragged into this one too. Has there been any attempt to rubbish the "Wipe Isael from the map" statement? I heard a rumour that what was actually said was "Wipe Zionism from the face of the Earth" but have not seen any reliable recordings/translations of the original speech.

I would also add that I dont believe Iran getting nukes would be a good idea, ongoing nuclear proliferation seems to me to be sending us down a very dangerous path.

Certainly seems like an attack on Iran is fairly imminent. Revolution fails to materialize after western security agencies try to stir up unrest and, most likely, interfere with the election process. US forces start pulling out of Iraqi cities. Saudi Arabia pretty much agrees to allow its airspace to be used for any attack on Iran. Biden says that US won't stand in Israel's way.

The writing is on the wall, as they say.

If the US attacks Iran, if Israel attacks Iran - and I think they will - then it will be their final demise.

The world was appalled by Palestine - make no mistake about that - the world was appalled by Iraq and the world will not stand for another ridiculous enterprise such as attacking Iran.

The EU wants rid of the UK - the emerging Bric nations are almost entirely at odds with the US (Brazil aside) - which means the US and UK are looking firmly at being entirely on their own, or against a considerable opposition.

Remember that it took an alliance of almost the entire world to defeat Germany and Japan - and before this occurred they succeeded in taking over much of the planet. So consider the consequences of a United front to the US and UK including Russia, China the "STANS" and much of the middle east and south east asia. As much as Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia enjoy the finance and protection of America - make no mistake about their underlying attitudes and precarious dictatorships - (Turkey aside) - almost the entire region would return to its previous stance of a united Islamic stance and over come the Shia Sunni hatred stirred up by the US.

The US and UK would be mown down financially and militarily - it would be a turkey shoot. The power of nationalism highlighted by the great wars of the 20th century was what led to volunteers and huge armies - the rise in self centred orientation in the west has led to an awareness of the corruption of their governments and unwillingness for self sacrifice will force the US and UK to conscript - the Russians, Chinese and entire middle east will have no such issues.

This will be the greatest mistake ever made and a turning point of modern history - we are headed for the Asian century - and this will be the pivot.

saying the U.S. "cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do."

Really? Maybe we should get a list of just who we consider to be "sovereign nations" because we seem to want to dictate what other nations can and can't do on a daily basis. Isn't Iran a sovereign nation? So, we can dictate what Iran can and can't do, but Israel's sovereignty prevents us from telling them not to go to war? Our hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Originally posted by Karlhungis

saying the U.S. "cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do."

Really? Maybe we should get a list of just who we consider to be "sovereign nations" because we seem to want to dictate what other nations can and can't do on a daily basis. Isn't Iran a sovereign nation? So, we can dictate what Iran can and can't do, but Israel's sovereignty prevents us from telling them not to go to war? Our hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Very well said and you found the hypocrisy. I think a nation is only sovereign to the US and her allies when it is convenient to them. However when their interests are at stake; sovereignty goes out the window. Moreover, lets not just single out the US because I think every country has this stance. In terms of Iran, they are just as guilty as everyone else in disrespecting a nation's sovereignty; because of their meddling in Iraq.

"Sovereign" isnt just the Websters Dictionary version. Typically what is meant is a country who doesnt attack its neighbors and who isnt run by a dictator and whoe people are free. Thats a Sovereign nation. In Irans case, yes they havent attacked neighbors and they had "elections" but they are run by a person Ayatolla Kahmenai who has abosulute power (a dictator) and their people are not free. The US on the other hand has attacked countries, but is not run by a dictatorship (our president doesnt have absolute power-not even close) and the people are free.

So when someone says they arent going to tell another sovereign nation what they can and cant do, remember the criteria.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
"Sovereign" isnt just the Websters Dictionary version. Typically what is meant is a country who doesnt attack its neighbors and who isnt run by a dictator and whoe people are free. Thats a Sovereign nation. In Irans case, yes they havent attacked neighbors and they had "elections" but they are run by a person Ayatolla Kahmenai who has abosulute power (a dictator) and their people are not free. The US on the other hand has attacked countries, but is not run by a dictatorship (our president doesnt have absolute power-not even close) and the people are free.

So when someone says they arent going to tell another sovereign nation what they can and cant do, remember the criteria.

Absolute garbage - I just did a Masters on sovereignty - a soveriegn nation is irrespective of its form of government - don't post about things you have no idea about as though you were some authority on the issue - more than happy to put up my 30,000 words over two years on the subject -

why try and pretend you are an expert on something you clearly, CLEARLY know nothing about.

LOL, way to put your foot ENTIRELY in your mouth, princeofpeace.

A nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable.

Russia and the US agree on that.

So - since Israel was the one threatened with extinction - turn them loose!

Simple problems only require simple solutions.

The Iranian Mullah government seems to be begging for destruction. Let them have it.

Now, if we could just let South Korea . . .

Originally posted by dooper
A nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable.

Russia and the US agree on that.

So - since Israel was the one threatened with extinction - turn them loose!

Simple problems only require simple solutions.

The Iranian Mullah government seems to be begging for destruction. Let them have it.

Now, if we could just let South Korea . . .

Short memory there tiger - the US and Russia may agree on a return to the table to discuss nuclear disarmament - and Russia may not want to see proliferation - however that is a long way from accepting a US or Israeli invasion of Iran.

Remember two things - Russia and Iran are infinitely better at politics that the US - the US barely has a machivellian (in the true sense of the term) in their collective diplomatic body. The Russians have also stated very clearly and emphatically that there will be repurcussions for the Georgia trouble cause be the US. Further it has been made abundantly clear last week that Russia fullfilled its cotnractual obligations agreed to last year with Iran to supply the s-300.

Russia will supply and arm Iran with whatever it needs as will China - China would not be adverse to sending troops - Iran can be resupplied through the caspian with whatever it needs from either of these countries - HENCE AMERICAS ATTEMPTED COUP -

Israel goes into Iran - you can kiss good-bye to your entire lifestyle - a Hamburger in the US will be 300 dollars - and that is how you will be defeated - your lifestyle will kill you.

Originally posted by audas

Originally posted by dooper
A nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable.

Russia and the US agree on that.

So - since Israel was the one threatened with extinction - turn them loose!

Simple problems only require simple solutions.

The Iranian Mullah government seems to be begging for destruction. Let them have it.

Now, if we could just let South Korea . . .

Short memory there tiger - the US and Russia may agree on a return to the table to discuss nuclear disarmament - and Russia may not want to see proliferation - however that is a long way from accepting a US or Israeli invasion of Iran.

Remember two things - Russia and Iran are infinitely better at politics that the US - the US barely has a machivellian (in the true sense of the term) in their collective diplomatic body. The Russians have also stated very clearly and emphatically that there will be repurcussions for the Georgia trouble cause be the US. Further it has been made abundantly clear last week that Russia fullfilled its cotnractual obligations agreed to last year with Iran to supply the s-300.

Russia will supply and arm Iran with whatever it needs as will China - China would not be adverse to sending troops - Iran can be resupplied through the caspian with whatever it needs from either of these countries - HENCE AMERICAS ATTEMPTED COUP -

Israel goes into Iran - you can kiss good-bye to your entire lifestyle - a Hamburger in the US will be 300 dollars - and that is how you will be defeated - your lifestyle will kill you.

You're my effin hero!

Wake up America, the Khazars were always a blood-thirsty people expelled wherever they go -- like aliens without human emotions,