Originally posted by triune



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if Israel beleived for one second that Iran had the means to destroy them, they would go straight to the 'Sampson Option' and nuke Iran, Syria and anyone else they felt threatened by.

If Iran had the means and more importantly IMHO , the INTENT then i would agree with you ,`The Sampson Option` could come into
play .

But it my opinion that Iran currently possess neither, means or intent.

Well the US turned I blind eye when Americans poured millions into the IRA's coffers during the haydays of that saga(yet to be resolved).

Back on topic, I think China is holding it's trump card over the US and telling them to get Israel under control. The trump card being the enormous amount of debt they hold. This in my opinion will shape US foreign policy for the foreseable future. The US does something they don't like they'll tank the dollar by selling treasuries and not buying anymore.

It would be the end of Israel if they attacked Iran. In a full scale war between the 2 it would be real bad for all. Scary indeed.

Could the OP define SCO for me please? I hate to feel ignorant - I really would like this explained.

I wish Iran had nukes - I wish they had a lot - if they did, they are likely to make it known and I think a lot of issues would go away.

NK and Pakistan already mentioned - the US doesn't like to overtly fk with countries that have nukes.

Pakistan has made a crucial error that Nk is not going to make - allowing the US any sort of adventure into their country without explicitly warning them of nuclear reprisal.

Pakistan will probably get over run because they didn't do all the sabre rattling that characterizes NK - the US is no there already, and if they don;t act quickly they will simply get slowly railroaded and their nukes will be meaningless.

A war between Iran and Israel is certainly a serious issue - and a possibility - but I don't think Israel will act with the US - and I don't think the US can afford it, win it, or justify it.

I look at it this way whomever drops the first bomb on the other should be the one attacked and I'm not talking shooting missals over the boarder I'm talking an actual bomb or bombardment of bombs.

In that case the country initiating the strike, there should be a world wide consensus to condemn that country and internationally lock it down by force not with just a country or 2 but a world wide effort of all nations.

Don't care who does it first just make an example of them. By doing this every single leader will think twice before attacking their so called enemy including the US.

It's about time the population as a whole stood up to these stupid countries wanting to blow each other up.

We either need to let them do it and stop being international police, or we need to enforce a no war policy period.

It's like telling a 13 year old "Stop it or your grounded" they do it you ground them and they sneak out the window, so you ground them some more and they keep sneaking out the window when all you really need to do is take away the stupid game system to stop it in the first place.

Sure it has it's problems and not like we haven't tried regime change in the past and it obviously doesn't work in the end.

The point is when you tell them play nice or regime change is in your future they will play nice because no one wants to lose power unless their so delusional they think they can take over the whole world. At that point they probably have another back country in their pocket but 2 against 158 or what ever the number is now days is hardly enough to overcome the odds.

Of course then you got the whole NWO conspiracy running amok when this happens.

So in the end just best to let them kill each other and problem solved.

Here are the facts :

The US is all about the oil - end of story - fact. The US will engage Iran through under the guise of Iran meddling in the new democracy of Iraq. There will be huge covert operations aimed at encouraging civil war which will be blamed on Iran - this will be built on the back of the current disinformation campaign regarding the elections. Israel will be used to initiate the strikes only if international opinion is firmly against the US.

for all those engaging in the Iran has nukes discussion it is utterly ridiculous postulation - this is clearly a kid making these posts.

Originally posted by audas
Here are the facts :

The US is all about the oil - end of story - fact. The US will engage Iran through under the guise of Iran meddling in the new democracy of Iraq. There will be huge covert operations aimed at encouraging civil war which will be blamed on Iran - this will be built on the back of the current disinformation campaign regarding the elections. Israel will be used to initiate the strikes only if international opinion is firmly against the US.

for all those engaging in the Iran has nukes discussion it is utterly ridiculous postulation - this is clearly a kid making these posts.

HA!

So what you are saying is that there will be black ops in Iraq to cause a civil war, so that we can blame Iran for it, giving the U.S. the right to attack Iran.

Pure genius.

Well I'm not really a kid, but how much would you be willing to bet with me that Iran has no nukes?

I would like to place a bet, because I am a gambling man.

This specific doom date comes from the Bible -- Ezekiel 24:1-2 is the best but the date is in three books and the time of year in others. When God gives a date, it is best to pay heed.

What I expect is Iran going to war with Israel in about 3+ years from now. At this period of time the U.S. will be in a world of hurt. Due to the S & L lawsuits coming up ahead. This war is also noted in the bible Ezk. 38. It will provide the opportunity. They would not take on Israel today and looking at what is going in in the U.S. they see time is on there side. I doubt Israel would be the aggressor with Obama in office unless Iran makes a clear error that provides evidence that requires their action.