Originally posted by SuperViking
Really? I actually made up "France in the 70s" just to see if you were paying attention. There was no major economic depression or collapse in France in the 1970s, but quickly accepted that there was one and that this was much worse. Somehow, I don't think you have the background in economics to say much of anything, and I think this is just more of ATS' trademark scare-mongering wherein, eventually, it's seen to be bull#.

I must point out that "an understanding of economics" has nothing to do with remembering historical events, when the pressures on the system were different.

It has to do with watching the flow of funds Now, and grasping the messages of those who move the money.

It has to do with grasping the motivations for advertisement, which affects the flow of money. It has to do with the outward statements of the politicians, and the movement that indicates that what they say and what they do are two very different things.

It is people like you who look for excuses to dismiss each bit of information as you encounter it, and never look at what picture might be painted around you if you stepped back and looked with the presumption that there is some truth here.

When one does that, not only does one find a picture, but the picture focuses perfectly.

Your approach will lead the lambs to slaughter.

So either you don't know any better, or your's is a role of another sort.

Either way, you will not sway me from an awareness of how close to danger we ALL are.

And yes... I will bring up "the other solution" as shown in my book, linked in my sig.

See: John Titor, Bush suspending elections, any of the thousands of calls for martial law, any of hundreds of 'Aliens will make contact this Thursday' posts, the multitudes of "I was a brainwashed CIA assassin" threads, etc etc. Just more bull# that won't come to pass. Congrats.

That is the best message to keep us unaware before the slaughter. Call upon all the past "scares," many of which were manufactured so that comments like this can be made. And it is also conceivable that because we had the information, the hoped for steering took place... The probability may be low, but that possibility exists.

[edit on 7/6/2009 by Amaterasu]

Originally posted by rich23

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    

I'd say the US ticks ALL those boxes to a greater or lesser extent. The ones I think are most important I've emboldened.

Sounds like Limbots, seriously...

I wonder who will be on which side, if/when TSHTF. sometimes I think we are all going to go meekly along into hyperinflation and beyond, fussing along the way of course but not much else. then other times i think that we are all waiting for something. a point or a day or a signal or an understanding and the whole thing will activate. i'm not at all sure that police or military will necessarily be on the side of government. of course they are supposed to, and some definitely get off on the power games, but when TSHTF at least some are going to understand that it's important, and they will choose sides.

more and more people are coming to realize that so much of what we are fed is pure crap. but i don't know if it's enough people. when i watch a tv segment on how people respond to how things are presented instead of the content. is that true? or just another piece of crap?

government wants to run everything, but who is government? most of it is just regular people. they aren't going to get the goodies when things get tight. only a few will get the goodies.

which side will each person choose?

Why the Sudden Rush to Stock Your Pantry?

(A serious matter with some minor humor injected)

By Will Thomas



I know a number of survival advocates including former military and pastors who tell us to stock up on food for the long-term including what we buy at the grocery store for daily needs. I truly understand the mindset but when I hear about workers from the Postal Service say they have been instructed to have 30-40 days of food on hand, perhaps we need to delve further into the matter.

If the local postmaster made the suggestion, that’s one thing. If the directive was handed down from the top and they’ve gone postal (no pun intended) then perhaps we should examine the situation a little more closely.



1. A 30 day supply of food at the grocery store could easily cost a family of 4 around $800.00 plus.

2. Not many families can afford to pay $800.00 out this payday for immediate food.

3. Families and individuals on limited incomes are unable to meet such a request.

What do they know that the rest of us don’t?



1. Is it Bird flu/H1N1?

2. Is North Korea more powerful than we are being told?

3. Is our economy about to collapse?

4. Are the powers that govern going to devalue the currency and we wake up to a new dollar worth 20% of what the old one was?

5. Are we being blackmailed by a foreign country?

6. Have we actually sold our sovereignty to China?

7. Do we have an unknown threat that has been identified but is still classified?

I recently discovered a company that sells food to the public. In order for you to realize savings, you order a half or full truckload of your favorites and split the cost. So when 100 people from a church get together and split the cost, each member pays $190.00 and receives 3 times the amount of food they would get at the grocery store. Cases of peas, corn and many other veggies plus spaghetti, drinks, paper goods and tons of other edible delights including candy; canned fruits, canned soups and everything is in date and fresh.



This is not salvage food, nor is it throw away donations. This is a resourceful way for people and groups to get together and save big money on their food bill. The company even delivers to your location or to your private retreat or bug out location if you order a quarter, half or full truckload.



So, if you believe that the cold war is over, please disregard everything written in this article. Keep only enough food in your pantry to supply you or your family for 1 or two days. Remember Hurricane Katrina and for heaven’s sake, stop stocking up on ammo and guns. Glenn Beck thinks the FEMA camps are real. The cat is out of the bag.



Get along now and be a good green weenie and make sure your cows don’t pass gas (that will be taxed) and that you don’t drink too much water. Invest everything you have in questionable stocks and any other Government run business you can find. Pray (which qualifies you as a Terrorist) for some of our current leaders to retire or go into exile and more importantly, move in with you. Nevertheless, be sure to stock up on food through this company called TruckloadGroceries.com. I am all for saving anything when it comes to money, especially on food.

FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR...

We need BUSH back, so at least the fear is coming from an official source.

All we need is some nationalism and an enemy and we can recreate 2000 - 2008

I love the fear peddling!

I see a thread about multiple al-quaida plots and a headline that an obama advisor is recommending another stimulus package. it's hard to worry much about terrorists any more with a government that is determinedly and systematically destroying us from within. as a citizen i can't do anything about either enemy. do you think al-qaida will forget about us once the country is ruined economically? who will pay for government junkets?

The July 4 Atlanta tea party scheduled since March was abruptly canceled June 18 when a major donor to the Democratic Socialist Party now in control of Washington exerted sufficient influence to have permission to use the property withdrawn.

I read most of the article and see that line and anything meaningful that may have come from it is instantly washed away in a flash flood of personal bias.

It seems that in Oregon the unions have amassed a huge war chest and have made it clear to all elected officials in Oregon that they had better vote for all legislation that will keep union members employed and well paid. If they don't support these things, another candidate will be selected and financed into being elected. That explains what's happening in Oregon. This information came from a conservative lobbyist.

If it's true in Oregon, it might well be true in other states and at the federal level as well. It sounds like nothing is really about what it pretends to be about, but keeping power in place.