Warning: American Gestapo ahead

reply to post by Bertha


I also worry about peaceful assembly. Homeland Security already has protesters on the terrorist list, on the gun warning list, etc. They are trying to pass a bill HR 675. We need to fight this bill.

Originally posted by SuperViking
Really? I actually made up "France in the 70s" just to see if you were paying attention. There was no major economic depression or collapse in France in the 1970s, but quickly accepted that there was one and that this was much worse. Somehow, I don't think you have the background in economics to say much of anything, and I think this is just more of ATS' trademark scare-mongering wherein, eventually, it's seen to be bull#.

I must point out that "an understanding of economics" has nothing to do with remembering historical events, when the pressures on the system were different.

It has to do with watching the flow of funds Now, and grasping the messages of those who move the money.

It has to do with grasping the motivations for advertisement, which affects the flow of money. It has to do with the outward statements of the politicians, and the movement that indicates that what they say and what they do are two very different things.

It is people like you who look for excuses to dismiss each bit of information as you encounter it, and never look at what picture might be painted around you if you stepped back and looked with the presumption that there is some truth here.

When one does that, not only does one find a picture, but the picture focuses perfectly.

Your approach will lead the lambs to slaughter.

So either you don't know any better, or your's is a role of another sort.

Either way, you will not sway me from an awareness of how close to danger we ALL are.

And yes... I will bring up "the other solution" as shown in my book, linked in my sig.

See: John Titor, Bush suspending elections, any of the thousands of calls for martial law, any of hundreds of 'Aliens will make contact this Thursday' posts, the multitudes of "I was a brainwashed CIA assassin" threads, etc etc. Just more bull# that won't come to pass. Congrats.

That is the best message to keep us unaware before the slaughter. Call upon all the past "scares," many of which were manufactured so that comments like this can be made. And it is also conceivable that because we had the information, the hoped for steering took place... The probability may be low, but that possibility exists.

[edit on 7/6/2009 by Amaterasu]

Originally posted by rich23

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    

I'd say the US ticks ALL those boxes to a greater or lesser extent. The ones I think are most important I've emboldened.

Sounds like Limbots, seriously...

Originally posted by HERACAT
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You seem like a pretty smart person Mr/Ms PT.

I have to disagree with your view of productive employees.

Most of the productive people on my job don't have time to steal. They are being productive...

If that's the way you see them then you don't deserve to have them. If you treat them as theives, that's what you will get.

And deserve....

Peace and Light!

Really now? No one where you work ever steals some copy paper or pens to take home to the kids? A roll of toilet paper, something from the lunch room nothing?

Employee theft is a part of most businesses employing 5 or more people.

It ranges from the seemingly harmless items like above, to scams and thefts that can mount in the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands even millions of dolalrs.

Several years ago one Navy Pay Master onboard an aircraft carrier was charged with embezlement after it had be discovered for a period of 5 years he had been taking 1.00 dollar, that's right 1.00 dollar out of every person's paycheck, every paycheck they got, which there were some 5,000 personnel on board the ship.

Eventually these things turn up in audits, and sometimes it takes a long time for an audit to catch it. I have seen many businesses where such things can go undetected for periods of 20 years or more.

As I said many times the person will be the most productive or one of the most productive employees.

The maintencance or secretarial pool is usually not in a position to do this, but sales people, cashiers, comptrollers and pay roll personell and people who have actual direct access to funds in some way.

I don't recall mentioning that I treat my employees like theives even the theives.

If say a sales person is bringing in three times more revenue than any other sales person and is only stealing 10% of it, to a savy business owner that's simply an off the books raise that just keeps them looking over their shoulder and working harder.

Theft is a fact of life, and the whole point to my post wasn't so you could pretend I mistreat employees, and I sure didn't work on or run that aircraft carrier or any of the other of dozens of businesses you can read about in the newspapers every day when a good employee goes bad...

I was explaining why Major Crooks are compelled to keep on stealing, and working their schemes and conspiracies...

What you are explaining I haven't a clue, but chances are there is some theft going on where you work and if you knew how and what to look for you would spot it.

This includes even such employers as the Vatican by the way.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Proto, excellent posts! You mentioned the carrot and stick, and I know damned good and well you could have gone a bit further and explained that bit a whole lot better.

These "Masters" with their planning, plotting, maneuvering. On occasion, do the dogs not turn on the Masters?

Eventually?

reply to post by Amaterasu


Nicely worded. I didnt know you had written a book. Good job! I have checked history and yes it's been this way for many years. People here cant believe this could ever happen in the US.

We are headed down the same path and there are too many similarities to simply ignor them.

reply to post by SuperViking

perhaps this knowledge plus the vigilance of many prevented this from occurring. in my opinion it easily could have had a few more heads been turned the other way or dug into the sand.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I'm concerned the plan is only beginning. It's been in the works since the 30's. Slow and steady, not to cause alarm.

We still have it good but things are changing rapidly.

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by Bertha

 

I also worry about peaceful assembly. Homeland Security already has protesters on the terrorist list, on the gun warning list, etc. They are trying to pass a bill HR 675. We need to fight this bill.

Alright. Tea Parties took place on the 4th of July right? Tea Parties are forms of protests, are they not?

Was anyone arrested and charged with terrorism?

The 9/11 truthers who protest and claim 9/11 was an inside job. Have any of them been arrested and charged? NO.

You sure Homeland Security placed protesting in the terrorism department?

reply to post by GorehoundLarry


No, that's not the point. No the tea party protesters were not arrested. There are things to come like a breakdown in the global econonomy, other possible scenarios like bank closures, etc that will set off martial law.

Homeland Security is on high alert for (The Flu) It's a joke. The flu is a disguise. The government knows more than they are saying. NSA, DOD, DHS are all ready to go. For what? The laws are changing. We cant change the list. Ex-military are also considered terrorists.

They know how to fight and kill if need be. I want some of them on my side when SHTF.

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by GorehoundLarry

 

No, that's not the point. No the tea party protesters were not arrested. There are things to come like a breakdown in the global econonomy, other possible scenarios like bank closures, etc that will set off martial law.

Homeland Security is on high alert for (The Flu) It's a joke. The flu is a disguise. The government knows more than they are saying. NSA, DOD, DHS are all ready to go. For what? The laws are changing. We cant change the list. Ex-military are also considered terrorists.

They know how to fight and kill if need be. I want some of them on my side when SHTF.

Source?

I wonder who will be on which side, if/when TSHTF. sometimes I think we are all going to go meekly along into hyperinflation and beyond, fussing along the way of course but not much else. then other times i think that we are all waiting for something. a point or a day or a signal or an understanding and the whole thing will activate. i'm not at all sure that police or military will necessarily be on the side of government. of course they are supposed to, and some definitely get off on the power games, but when TSHTF at least some are going to understand that it's important, and they will choose sides.

more and more people are coming to realize that so much of what we are fed is pure crap. but i don't know if it's enough people. when i watch a tv segment on how people respond to how things are presented instead of the content. is that true? or just another piece of crap?

government wants to run everything, but who is government? most of it is just regular people. they aren't going to get the goodies when things get tight. only a few will get the goodies.

which side will each person choose?

Why the Sudden Rush to Stock Your Pantry?

(A serious matter with some minor humor injected)

By Will Thomas



I know a number of survival advocates including former military and pastors who tell us to stock up on food for the long-term including what we buy at the grocery store for daily needs. I truly understand the mindset but when I hear about workers from the Postal Service say they have been instructed to have 30-40 days of food on hand, perhaps we need to delve further into the matter.

If the local postmaster made the suggestion, that’s one thing. If the directive was handed down from the top and they’ve gone postal (no pun intended) then perhaps we should examine the situation a little more closely.



1. A 30 day supply of food at the grocery store could easily cost a family of 4 around $800.00 plus.

2. Not many families can afford to pay $800.00 out this payday for immediate food.

3. Families and individuals on limited incomes are unable to meet such a request.

What do they know that the rest of us don’t?



1. Is it Bird flu/H1N1?

2. Is North Korea more powerful than we are being told?

3. Is our economy about to collapse?

4. Are the powers that govern going to devalue the currency and we wake up to a new dollar worth 20% of what the old one was?

5. Are we being blackmailed by a foreign country?

6. Have we actually sold our sovereignty to China?

7. Do we have an unknown threat that has been identified but is still classified?

I recently discovered a company that sells food to the public. In order for you to realize savings, you order a half or full truckload of your favorites and split the cost. So when 100 people from a church get together and split the cost, each member pays $190.00 and receives 3 times the amount of food they would get at the grocery store. Cases of peas, corn and many other veggies plus spaghetti, drinks, paper goods and tons of other edible delights including candy; canned fruits, canned soups and everything is in date and fresh.



This is not salvage food, nor is it throw away donations. This is a resourceful way for people and groups to get together and save big money on their food bill. The company even delivers to your location or to your private retreat or bug out location if you order a quarter, half or full truckload.



So, if you believe that the cold war is over, please disregard everything written in this article. Keep only enough food in your pantry to supply you or your family for 1 or two days. Remember Hurricane Katrina and for heaven’s sake, stop stocking up on ammo and guns. Glenn Beck thinks the FEMA camps are real. The cat is out of the bag.



Get along now and be a good green weenie and make sure your cows don’t pass gas (that will be taxed) and that you don’t drink too much water. Invest everything you have in questionable stocks and any other Government run business you can find. Pray (which qualifies you as a Terrorist) for some of our current leaders to retire or go into exile and more importantly, move in with you. Nevertheless, be sure to stock up on food through this company called TruckloadGroceries.com. I am all for saving anything when it comes to money, especially on food.

FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR...

We need BUSH back, so at least the fear is coming from an official source.

All we need is some nationalism and an enemy and we can recreate 2000 - 2008

I love the fear peddling!

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by SuperViking
Really? I actually made up "France in the 70s" just to see if you were paying attention. There was no major economic depression or collapse in France in the 1970s, but quickly accepted that there was one and that this was much worse. Somehow, I don't think you have the background in economics to say much of anything, and I think this is just more of ATS' trademark scare-mongering wherein, eventually, it's seen to be bull#.

I must point out that "an understanding of economics" has nothing to do with remembering historical events, when the pressures on the system were different.

Right. Experts don't know anything- people who see conspiracy around every corner do. Got it.

It is people like you who look for excuses to dismiss each bit of information as you encounter it, and never look at what picture might be painted around you if you stepped back and looked with the presumption that there is some truth here.

Quite the contrary, people like you are like ghost hunters or paranormals or any other such thing- actively looking for something and desperately grasping for any 'evidence' that can back up what you're already hoping exists. It's called confirmation bias, and finding false positives. It's actually been studied quite a bit: www.thedaily.com.au...

When one does that, not only does one find a picture, but the picture focuses perfectly.

I'm sure.

Your approach will lead the lambs to slaughter.

My question is what exactly do you people do every time your predictions turn out false? I mean, you seem to never say to yourselves "#, maybe we were actually totally wrong all along?" and instead just go deeper into the rabbit hole. How can you possibly pretend to maintain rational thinking in light of that?

So either you don't know any better, or your's is a role of another sort.

And another "Either you're ignorant or the enemy" line of rational. Again, very self-sustaining and legitimizing stuff.

Either way, you will not sway me from an awareness of how close to danger we ALL are.

Oh, I know I won't. Nothing ever will. You'll be decrepit in an old folks home in Florida decades upon decades from now, still talking about how the NWO is right around the corner. I know, I'm just hoping to keep a few people that may be lurking from descending into that pathetic madness.

reply to post by earlywatcher


It's hard to say what side a person will chose but I think there will eventually be one one to choose from or fight.

reply to post by smilinggrandma


Yes that is exactly what I did; although I had no one to pitch in for the costs.

I did have a savings from buying bulk. It took days to properly preserve all that food, without oxygen, put in mylar bags then in 5 gallon buckets with lids.

A person could still do this buying a 50 pound bag of rice once a month for 20 bucks. We still have some time before SHTF. I still think about buying more and more but have some self control not to.

My family thought I was nuts and thought the subject was gloom and doom. What set me off was the fall of Lehman Brothers and the DOW dropping 777 points. The words financial crisis was all over the news daily.

I see a thread about multiple al-quaida plots and a headline that an obama advisor is recommending another stimulus package. it's hard to worry much about terrorists any more with a government that is determinedly and systematically destroying us from within. as a citizen i can't do anything about either enemy. do you think al-qaida will forget about us once the country is ruined economically? who will pay for government junkets?

The July 4 Atlanta tea party scheduled since March was abruptly canceled June 18 when a major donor to the Democratic Socialist Party now in control of Washington exerted sufficient influence to have permission to use the property withdrawn.

I read most of the article and see that line and anything meaningful that may have come from it is instantly washed away in a flash flood of personal bias.

It seems that in Oregon the unions have amassed a huge war chest and have made it clear to all elected officials in Oregon that they had better vote for all legislation that will keep union members employed and well paid. If they don't support these things, another candidate will be selected and financed into being elected. That explains what's happening in Oregon. This information came from a conservative lobbyist.

If it's true in Oregon, it might well be true in other states and at the federal level as well. It sounds like nothing is really about what it pretends to be about, but keeping power in place.