Why has nobody thought this about roswell

I know a gentleman who's grandfather was in the military during the time of the Roswell incident and we were speaking the other day about ufos, aliens and area 51. He says his grandfather knew why the roswell incident happened and that all it was was a deception purportrated by the US military to scare the Russians. The first sighting by Kenneth Arnold may have been what it was but the US military grabbed hold of it and said how can we use this. So a fake story was put out saying the US military had recovered a UFO and in that case we were going to study it. So the Russians might think twice about any invasion of Europe. The Russians given their own investigation into the incident and coming to the conclusion that it was true might be worried about what the Americans had in their possesion when it probably was project mogul. Interesting point of view to me and very possible. Tell me what you think.

I was thinking this the other day too.

To use the myth of aliens for 1. to keep other countries in fear that we may have some futuristic and powerful weaponry or 2. to use as a ruse for a fraudulent future alien invasion for any number of reasons. (if use of religion doesn't work).

This would make anyone who has come forward a paid disinformant giving no actual evidence except their eyewitness testimony that some believe, some don't. Explains why there has been no admitting of any actual caught UFO's (I'm sure there are tons of them, but less likely they could drop out of the sky). This explains no disclosure at this time. They want the out of reach paranoia, just in case they need to use it for their benefit.

I would not jump to the conclusion of a paid disinformation agent, maybe it was project mogul and people saw debris they could not explain. The military being what it is would just warp and distort the facts futher thats all.

It could be possible that this is true although I do not believe so.

As far as you asking 'why had nobody thought this about roswell' you're wrong.

Nobody's name is Steven Spielberg (diretor) and Leslie Bohem (writer)
of the miniseries Taken in 2002.

en.wikipedia.org...(mini_series)

In the first episode there are a couple of military guys that come up with a similar idea. Although in the series it turns out that there are in fact Aliens who take people with them and monitor them and their kids, grandkids for generations

It could be possible that this is true although I do not believe so.

As far as you asking 'why had nobody thought this about roswell' you're wrong.

Nobody's name is Steven Spielberg (diretor) and Leslie Bohem (writer)
of the miniseries Taken in 2002.

en.wikipedia.org...(mini_series)

In the first episode there are a couple of military guys that come up with a similar idea. Although in the series it turns out that there are in fact Aliens who take people with them and monitor them and their kids, grandkids for generations

reply to post by RyanLA123

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There certainly could be something to what the grandfather says. Of course, Roswell is only one case, an important case, but it's still only one.

It's a plausible idea, but overlooks the fact that 'something' certainly crashed there. Eyewitnesses described a large debris field and uniformed soldiers removing the debris on flat bed trucks. What the hell actually crashed is up for discussion and the USAF repeated attempts to explain what it was have just confused the matter.

Given the climate at the time, it wouldn't surprise me if the military fostered the 'crashed UFO' story to worry the Soviets. We're still no closer to understanding what really crashed.

If it wasn't for the awful official attempts to explain the incident, it'd be just one more BS story. Where are all the soldiers that were involved in the debris recovery? Why haven't any of them come forward with their story? The back-engineered stories fail to take into account that we already had transistors, fibre optics etc.

Despite all this, we're left with the impression that 'something' unusual happened. We're also left without being able to rely on official accounts of Roswell. A conundrum indeed!

reply to post by RyanLA123

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One major problem with that theory is that the Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991. Why didn't the Air Force come clean with that theory instead of pushing the Mogul Balloon theory?

There have been much bigger former secrets released to the public, including the fact that a top level mole from the United States was in the Kremlin during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He knew there was not going to be a confrontation and JFK had to keep the information secret as it would of betrayed our spy there. (There are several books on the former Soviet Union that have the information there, including books by James Bamford.)

If that big secret can be revealed, then the fake saucer story would definitely be discussed.

Well we know they used programs like Project Bluebook among others to purposely put out misinformation about UFO studies being done by the government.

In an attempt at disclosure they actually created more evidence against them with the information we have now. So your OP is actually quite plausible.

It would not have surprised me if they used the idea of a UFO and UFO tech to keep Russia at bay during those times.

An interesting notion,

~Keeper

This topic has facinated me no end since I first heard "rumors" in 1983.I never had direct access to the really neat stuff, (like seeing an alien etc). But I worked on the early stealth programs. I found just what an exclussive club this was.I had access to materials we could not identify, it took us years just to figure out what they were in action, in some cases we STILL don't know what thier made of. I knew some of the most important people in intell. and military circles. One guy said to me if its not alien, its magic. Though retired, I try to keep my hand on.

reply to post by kidflash2008

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Good points KF. If the Roswell incident was just a victory for Cold War psyops they would have pressed the button marked 'Bragging Rights: ENABLED!" as soon as it was over.

I won't be at all surprised if it remains a mystery to my dying day! Disappointed...not surprised.

reply to post by RyanLA123

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I would say that it is a logical explanation in a case with many logical and non-logical explanations. I do not believe it though, for many reasons. It is also possible it was disinformation. Either way there is just WAY to much evidence pointing to a crash of some advanced air/spacecraft in Roswell in July of 47', as well another possible crash near by in the plains of San Augusta.

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Reply to Kardinsky

There are many crash retrieval witnesses who have come forth, in fact there is well over 100 witnesses who have come forth about the crash and the bodies. That is what makes this case so solid.


ufos.about.com...

Also transistors and fiber optics were in very early stages and there was no progress being made needed for the big breakthrough for the most part. So it does appear something sparked the surge in inventions.


www.cedmagic.com...

December, the crash was in July. So in my theory likely what happened was we saw their transistor type technology and that provided the boost needed to finally invent this project being worked on since the 20's. Some thought it was not possible or not worth it actually, so we can see that either the breakthrough was genuinely human or we had help.

The fiber optics as we know and love today were not invented in any practical format until the mid to late sixties. And the difference between the models and theories and mechanism before and after the crash is truly astounding. So it lends some credence to the back engineered theory IMO.
inventors.about.com...

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reply to post by tothetenthpower

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Actually Blue Book was a clearly legitimate government organization truly trying to research UFOs, at least until the early sixties. Blue Book believed a lot of their unknown cases (there were many, so they did not vainly debunk everything) were of ET origin, well most of the personal anyways. Really they get a bad rap, when in reality it was the CIA ran Robertson Panel that purposefully debunked UFO cases, regardless of evidence. They are also responsible for the stigma associated with UFOs and ufologists today. After Blue Book was closed in 69' the full blown and wide spread cover-up began, there is no question about that. The CIA and DoD had fully taken over. Look at the Blue Book cases, you will see all the real evidence and conclusions, it is thanks to them that we know so much about the early cases that are the core of ufology.

reply to post by Melyanna Tengwesta

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Oh man I love Taken, I never have seen the last two episodes though.


I will someday maybe,lol...


Great show as usual from Spielberg, Dakota Fanning and some of the other actors really make it as well.

reply to post by kidflash2008

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I agree, if it was a fake saucer cover-up then I am pretty sure the US government would be more than willing to say it and provide documentation to shut up the UFO crowd,lol.

But they did with the Roswell report case closed. I love this topic and I want to believe but how can these craft be so far advanced to travel through space than come to earth only to crash, POS technology if you ask me.

reply to post by RyanLA123

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What do you mean by "POS"??

We humans are working on some promising theories for FTL travel, as well as some implications for time travel. It is not as far out there as one would think.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by jkrog08

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The transistor was made more practical by Shockley and Pearson using the work and designs of Lilienfeld.The patent was filed in the 1920s and prevented Shockley/Pearson from successfully filing a patent that made no acknowledgment to Lilienfeld. It was (loosely) an example of intellectual property theft and resulted in their having legal papers served...John Bardeen and Transistor Physics.

Optical fibers have a history of precursors that remove the necessity for claiming alien origin...A Fiber-Optic chronology

I've been through this on other threads...often!

The military witness accounts are often received second-hand through friends, relatives or colleagues and therefore unreliable. The Jesse Marcel account is a more persuasive matter...something about his manner is convincing (link ). The point I'm making is that the whole incident is shrouded in a fog of lies, truths, half-truths, hoaxes and changed accounts. It would be irrational to make the decision that an alien craft was recovered based on all the confounding evidence.

It remains interesting and well worth speculating from certain perspectives. The kernel of fact that is not in dispute is that something most certainly crashed that day. The 'what' remains speculative...I like the notion of a crashed craft, but can't reasonably draw a conclusion

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. The Russians ain't stupid. I don't think this ruse would work, because the Russians would simply call their bluff and send out similar propaganda that an Alien spaceship had crash landed on Russian territory and by their reckoning, it's at least 10,000 years ahead of current technology. Now whose worried.

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What about this?

looks like really bad acting, no>?

www.youtube.com...

in fact there are tons of really crappy Russian (supposed old KGB) videos of landings. Perhaps they realized that Hollywood was not their forte. video.google.com...

www.dailymotion.com...

aka, did the Russians do the same thing in hopes that the US would intercept and find out by some spy to give them the idea that they might have the same (or better) technology?



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