Originally posted by tezzajw
Clearly that's stated in the OP and I mentioned in my OP that it was a NSW law. Perhaps you need to read all replies in the thread before making
your ill-informed comments.
Please don't twist my comments. The only reason I bring up the national ratio of gun ownership was because you
misrepreseted my original reply here.
Originally posted by tezzajw
I worry every time when new laws want to strip the population of weapons. To me, the only defense against complete government dictatorship and control
is an armed civillian population.
As if Australia doesn't already have tight gun laws in place, now crossbows are equally as bad?
Quote by
atlasastro
Ownership is about 15 out of 100 people in OZ, in the states it is about 90 out of 100.
We arn't stopping anyone Terrajw. www.abc.net.au...
Which is taken from this post here
post by atlasastro, if you had of bothered to look at the link you would
have known it was about GUNS, but which you somehow turned into this.
Originally posted by atlasastro
Ownership is about 15 out of 100 people in OZ, in the states it is about 90 out of 100.
We arn't stopping anyone
orignally posted by Tezzajw
Yes, atlasastro, you're stopping
15 out of 100 people from peacefully owning their crossbows. What gives you the right to want to infringe on
those people owning them, peacefully?
Here we have you turning my comments into me depriving people of crossbows when my original comment was to do with a deterent of Government
dictatorship by citizns ownng weapons. Which is why I continue to point this out in my followng reply by pointing out why I was deaing with national
gun ownership, and I point out that even though my comment was national, your reply to it was not considering the regional legeslation.
Here is my comment.
BTW, that ratio is national, the legislation you brought up is only regional and not national. You need to learn or try and understand what you
are talking about. The actual change to the legislation is adding a
CATEGORY.
post by atlasastro
Which you cut to suit your reply which was the opening reply to your next post. You don't actually acknowledge that there are no new laws, just a new
catagory and a request for jail sentences.
The issue is that lawmakers and the moral majority want to send people to jail for owning a crossbow. A crossbow is a crossbow. It will only be
illegal because a select few people want to make it illegal. This is another example of trying to strip away rights from the average person.
Crossbows have been illegal for over a decade. But you still have the right to own one. You can own one in NSW. It is legal to own a crossbow with a
liscence. You can have a crossbow. You are allowed to have a crossbow.
CALM DOWN, YOU CAN OWN A CROSSBOW IF YOU ACTUALLY TAKE SOME
TIME AND LEARN THE LAW
Again, the OP is not just about gun ownership......a crossbow.
I know. But my original reply was not to the OP. It was to this
post.
post by tezzajw The post after the OP, where you mention your fear of
a Government dictatorship and the need for an armed civilian population.
Please show me your census data to prove that only a few hundred people own crossbows.
LOL. Show me the question in the Census that
deals with weapons. I was using your OP article.
www.news.com.au...
Of the 459 people who have a legitimate use for military-style weapons, most are collectors.
Census.
It is your opinion that the majority of people don't have a need.... right to tell them that they can't.
It is not an opinion.
Obviously it is a fact that people don't have a need for weapons, as they are readily available and attainable. You can own a gun or a crossbow if
you need to. As the ownership ratio is very small, logic would imply that there is no need to own these weapons.
You could argue it and of course you will be wrong.
I am right on the count that criminals are arming themselves with illegal weapons that
under the current catagory of "miscellaneous", carry little penalty. My extremist comment was as asinine as you moral majority so I'll call it
even.
I know people who hunt. Yes, that's right - they go out into the bush and hunt. They have a need and a want to own a crossbow. They
should not be subjected to BS disarmament laws because the moral majority want to feel 'safe'.
They can own a crosbow. They will not be
disarmed. As for B.S. Well, you seem to be the expert there so I'll leave that comment alone.
I don't care much for the current gun ownership laws. I don't approve of them. Don't justify one bad law by quoting another bad
law.
I mention the current laws because you seem to think owning a crossbow was allowed up until now. When it has been covered under the
current laws for over 10 years. You seem to think prison penalties are new too. There are already Jail penalties up to 10 years, for possession of
illegal weapons listed in the act which INCLUDES crossbows.
WEAPONS PROHIBITION ACT 1998 - SECT 34
Effect of weapons prohibition order
34 Effect of weapons prohibition order
(1) A person must not possess or use a prohibited weapon in contravention of a weapons prohibition order that is in force.
Maximum penalty:
• on summary conviction-100 penalty units or imprisonment for 2 years, or both,
• on conviction on indictment-imprisonment for 10 years.
www.austlii.edu.au...
You can express your opinion all that you like, as I would expect you to - within the terms and conditions of this website. By the way, I
don't get caught up in flag-waving about state borders. I really don't care. You can call NSW your state, if you want to wear that identity
badge on your ATS avatar.
My reply regarding MY state wa sin reply to your baseless accusation that I have a vendetta, when I am simply
replying to a topical thread specifically about the state in which I live, that makes it MY state, in certain terms.
With this OP, I am providing my opinion about an arse-backwards NSW law that will take effect and further dumb-down and subdue a compliant
population.
Subdue what exactly? Dumb down who? People who actually know the law? Or those who have knee jerk reactions to MASS MEDIA ARTICLES
like you. Now thats what I call arse backwards, compliant, and
dumbed down. If you actually get informed by what the MSM tells you Tezzajw,
well, all I can say is good luck to you.
Do you know that there's some great pig hunting in the outback of NSW? Take a trip out beyond your comfort zone and see how many people use
crossbows on the razorbacks.
[yawn]. Yes. I left home at 17 and moved to the Riverina where I shared a house with two Military Officers from
Kapooka. Shooting ferals, wow I was so not out of my zone there. I also know that I can shoot pistols 5km down the road from where I am now, at
Aurburn Shooting Academy and the Sydney Olympi Park Archery Range- a range I can join and legally get my crossbow out, flash a licence I can apply for
and practice fighting an imaginary dictatorship, If I feel the need to, all in a city, imagine that.[/yawn]
You might not see it coming. It won't happen in a rush, it will happen slowly, over time. I know many people who were forced
to submit their pump-action shotguns and their semi-auto rifles. Devastating.
Sure. BTW, I would have thought that the bushfires were
devastating, the Tsunami was devastating. So yeah thanks for the perspective. Now can you answer my question please.
origionally posted by atlasastro BTW, Can you explain to me how the Ban on Pump Action and Automatic Weapons(brought in post Port
Arthur) has effected Australians who could now be using those weapon defending themselves against the Govt. Were are people being attacked by our
Govt., that could use these weapons now?
Weapons that some of those people owned for a generation had to be surrendered to comply with the moral majority. Weapons that taught children
some responsibility and what it means to kill. Take a mis-fit kid, put a gun in his hand and let him kill his first rabbit or fox. See how that kid
grows up knowing what it means to take a life. Life is precious. Life is worth living and defending.
So you need a weapon to learn this. O.
K.
[off topic rant on]
You're lucky you've only got to worry about the bikie gangs. I personally know someone who had a cop put his service
revolver to the person's face, as a threat to confess. Yep, that's right. I won't go into details, other than saying the person I know was
completely innocent and through sheer coincidence was 'framed' for something.
[/offtopic rant] Sure, whatever dude.
[more off topic rant]
The government, politicians, law courts and police force are as corrupt, if not more so, than any other branch of society.
The cops wouldn't have the Office of Police Integrity if all of their members were honest and 'upheld the law'. Corrupt cops get to carry guns,
while honest citizens are banned from owning anything but simple bolt actions.
[/more off topic rant] We wouldn't need govt., politicians or
have police, or courts if people upheld the basics of common law. Every walk of life has corrupt greedy people. All walks of life.
You can own a crossbow. No fear.
