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Alien Debate Anyone???

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posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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Or they would lose control over us, not a panic as such but a reaction to a big fat lie.

probally the biggest lie in mankinds history




i believe that too, either way though they're not going to give us the information we want




posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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My take on aliens - like my take on just about everything - is, show me the evidence. Until I see *credible* evidence, I have no reason to believe in whatever it is someone is selling.

I have not yet seen credible evidence of aliens. I *have* seen endless photographs that purport to be of alien craft or aliens themselves, but... I've also seen Luke Skywalker taking on the Death Star. I've seen Abraham Lincoln walking with Margaret Thatcher, Pope John Paul II supposedly holding a bottle of whiskey in one hand, Paris Hilton in the other. I even saw Forrest Gump moon President Johnson.

I'm not saying that all the photos showing aliens are fake. I don't know that. Maybe none of them are fakes. What I *am* saying is, I have no reasonable way to know whether any photo is faked or not. Oh, sure, I can always spot the bad fakes. But the good ones? Not so much.

The same applies to all the other forms of evidence. It can *all* be faked, and some of it has. How much? No way for me to tell. I have no way of knowing what, if anything, is real.

So, unless I personally encounter an alien, I can't imagine any reliable way of knowing whether they exist. I suppose if they're in the news, if people I know actually wind up seeing them, talking to them, etc., that might work.

But just from hearing the stories and seeing the photos and videos, I can't tell one way or the other.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Can you source exactly where you hear "we would be harmed if we colonize the Moon''??



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Imo, aliens are actually demons. The purpose of this interaction seems to have something to do with the end times and the rise of the antichrist. It would be a great excuse for the rapture “they were abducted by aliens” and present a good reason to microchip the population “we need to keep track of everyone”.

One of the first things that got me thinking in this direction was a caller to Art Bell. This person claimed to work for the government, he went on to explain that “aliens” were deceiving people and that they were actually “extra-dimensional” beings with an agenda.

Here is the conversation www.youtube.com... .

A person later called in claiming to be the caller and said he was just joking around. Which imo seems to be someone trying to do damage control. There allot of reports out there that point in this direction adding some credibility to his claims. Along with main stream science now accepting that there are other dimensions.

There are also well documented cases such as “Skin walker Ranch” and point pleasant “mothman”. That seem to tie the majority of paranormal occurrences together such as ghosts, bigfoot and other unexplained creatures, strange lights, unearthly craft, men in black etc.

One of the most intriguing subjects in the Skin Walker Ranch report for me. Were the two accounts of the scientists witnessing what they described as “portals” opening up. In the one instance observing a strange craft emerge and take off into the night sky which flew directly overhead. And in the other instance seeing a pitch black featureless humanoid emerge and take off into the forest. What’s funny to me is that the author of the book doesn’t take seriously the fact that these may be demons entering and leaving our dimension.

Imo instead of a “hell” in the center of the earth and a “heaven” out there somewhere in the galaxy. That these places are actually located in other dimensions that run parallel our own. And that angels and demons are able to crossover at will. Such as “alien” visitors appearing in peoples rooms and vanishing into thin air, sometimes with dark entities “observing” etc.

There are also cases where “aliens” have attempted to enter someone home or interact with them in some manner. Where the victims have called out to Jesus resulting in the beings disappearing.

Of course this is all based off second hand accounts, maybe it’s all bs? Personally though I would never want to cross paths with any of the above phenomena, it can stay secondhand.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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I highly doubt these beings are demons or angels. IMO that is not true at all. The portals are likely wormholes used for teleportation and FTL travel.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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The question is do aliens come to earth? Of course with our understanding of the universe that is impossible, however if you look at the history of science you will find that the impossible becomes possible given enough time, technology not only keeps on advancing, but advances exponentially. I think because for the answers we find more questions just come along with it, since we cant know everything. I think a civilization 1000 years or more advanced than ours can probably travel anywhere in the galaxy.

One weird that has happened was that I was trying to communicate with aliens telepathically. I tried this a few times but I saw a UFO twice. I've never seen anything I could not identify any other time, but I see a UFO twice when I talk to the aliens with my mind. Chance tells me that they were probably aliens.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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Area 51 alien interview has never been debunked by anyone on this planet, or solar system.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by soldier8828
just a random quistion to all the ATS'ers on alien life and who do/and or dont believe......... id like to start this in debate form and ask (as iam new) and me being relitively new to not only this site but only doing "research" on general terms such as crop circles,ufos,personal experiences....no i do NOT believe everything i see or hear....BUT i do tend to go with my gut feeling. That said i would like to hear some opinions,and/or personal experiences on these matters. I feel it is really important for the "non believers" out there to know that they as in our human form if you will are not the only ones in the tiny piece of dust we call earth. So....with that said id really like to hear the above topics.


oh and if anyone on here know how to put a signature on my acct pls u2u me

Thanks and lets get started shall we???


To the sceptics: think about this-- there is the unending eternity of space and you propose we are alone or at least unreachable by others if they do exist? That proposition is even more incredible than the idea of visiting aliens. Then you deny the very likely possiblity that there are far more advanced methods of space and dimensional travel than we possess. We ARE being visited but we really don't know where they come from or how they got here. The possibilities are as endless as the universe in which we live. They may be from other planets, other dimensions, other universes, other who-knows-what.

The most laughable part of all is that you somehow believe that the level of our science today is the best we will ever achieve. Or, at best, you seem to think that we'll make improvements on what we already know, but that we've really learned the basics and nothing can possibly violate those basic "laws". That we call things like the "laws of physics" is a joke -- we know nothing compared to what there is to know and even less about the nature of existence or science or reality. Humility is the key to scientific advancement. You will learn NOTHING if you already think you know everything.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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The universe holds a great many different species of life in different forms,in different invoroments exsisting in different tempretures at different pressures.Many species breath different gasses to survive.Many species are structured in ways you would never imagine.There are many types of intellegent species that exsist within there own evolutionary timetable.Many intellegent species have evolved to a level to acheive space travel or intedimentionary travel.Many have visited the earth in the past.Many species visit the earth every year.Some planets have plant species and some don;t.Many different plant species can exsist in different athmosphecic envoroments.Plants that live and grow in a ammonia or helium athmosphere proberly would not grow on earth in a oyxgen mix athmosphere.Some planets have plants and trees that are all pink and red because they have a different athmosphere than earth and the soil elements are different too.In about 300 years we will have the technology to travel to other solar systerms and other worlds.Along the way we will proberly discover new types of life living on different planets.We may make friends with other intellegent species on other planets.We will slowly migrate to the stars.We will proberly discover other planets simlar to earth.Some might look like how our earth looked like 100 million years ago compleat with there own types of dinosauses and prehistoric creatures.In about 1,500 years from now the human race will proberly leave the earth altogeather and go and live amoungst the stars.It will take time but the earth will then reclaim the cities and towns.In another 50,000 years the earth will be back to how it looked 1 million years before.Within another 10 million years the exstinced prehistoric animals may return to the earth and the whole process of the history of the earth will start a fresh.

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posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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hi all
I would like to share some of my thoughts and experiances with UFOs.

I think there is a massive chance that aliens exist in the universe wether in our own galaxy or another. Now when it comes to aliens visiting this planet i think the chances are less than i do about them exisitng. But on saying that, Me my wife and my 5yr old son, my parents also my brother have had experiances with strange objects in the sky, but all on seprate occassions that i will gladly share to the best of my knowledge as i remember my own and also the rest of my familys experiances as told by them.

Firstly my own experiance's.
My job description involves patroling at night so i get the chance to see strange stuff if and when it happens.

1.one night around 1999 - 2000 me and three of my work colleagues were tavelling by car to work around 3am when we noticed a bright star like object in the sky to our left in the west quite far away. The object moved all the way across our path to the east far into the distance but still visible. We were soon past the the point of were the object had passed over the road and noticed the object was behind us now to the south but still some distance away. then it flew over us from behind a few seconds later. It did this four times altogether thats when we got worried and increased the speed of the car to get the hell out of there lol. it just looked like a really bright star not a heli or a plane couldnt see any shape just the light of a bright star!?.

2. One night at work in 2002 june/july time me and a colleague was on patrol duty on a new road that had been constructed to support new warehouses that had been built on an old mining colliery. We got halfway up the road and was looking into the sky as we was walking and noticed several star like objects moving in the sky. They were moving past the stars not at great speeds but deaccalerating then speeding up again and slowly bending left and right like lazy S's, they were doing this in different directions from one another and seemed to be going there seprate ways until they slowly faded out. We commented on the objects as we were watching them trying to rationalize what we were looking at. They were bright star like objects with no other lights attached to them or near them they just seemd like stars with no sense of direction and we could see that they were really high up, higher than what a commercial aircraft would fly, i would make a guess of around 50,000ft at least.

3. Sometime in during the 2004 about 8pm just before christmas i went to have a smoke in my back garden. As i opened the door and stood on the doorstep i looked up and instantly spotted this huge star like object in the sky moving very slowly in the south of the sky from west to east about 45 degrees. It moved what seemed about 10 inches then come to a halt, then all of a sudden it started growing in size slowly getting bigger as if it was dropping altitude and gettting lower. As this was happening i was saying to my wife you got to come and see this while still keeping my eyes focused on this very strange thing i was seeing, she didnt seem all that interested and basicly was yeah yeah whatever lol. Anyway at its largest size it seemed to radiate this strange aura of light like the corona of the eclipse i could see the bright spot of the star in the middle of this strange light that radiated and surrounded the star, but the soft light around the object had a definate edge just like the corona of the sun during an eclipse it was like this for about 10 - 15 seconds then the corona around the object faded away and then the object seemed to slowly rise up and get smaller to the point of what it started out like when i first spotted it, then it carried on across to the east and faded into the dinstance. -

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posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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The whole event took around 1 minute from start to finnish. the sky was totaly clear of clouds it was one of those clear winter skies with all the stars out twinnkling as usuall. Two hours later i went outside to see if i could spot anything else strange, I got to the top of the garden and started to walk back towards the house and to my right from behind came this speeding red object. I thought it was a shooting star at first but noticed it was to clean and to perfect in the way it was moving it really was like what seemed almost bullet speed. the only way i can describe it is It was like movie special effects it was moving that fast that precise and so smooth no flaring up no tail. I could not make out any definate shape just this red object going at incredible speed into the dinstance.

My wifes and sons sighting.
I had just got home from work at around 3:15 in the afternoon middle of summer in 2006. As i entered the house my wife told me that not 10 minutes ago my son had gone and stood at the back door of the house come back and told her there was a red spaceship in the sky and that she should come and see.
well my wife goes to the back door of the house with my son to see and there it was she says this bright red oval shaped object hovering very still in the sky above the estate. She said it had this crescent looking glow on the bottom of the Object and that the glow on the bottom was this brilliant glowing lighter shade of red/orange. she said it was no way a ballon as it was so still not even slighty moving for about 20 seconds, she decided to reach round and get her camera phone from the kitchen unit without taking a step she just twisted her body to get the phone but by the time she turned back it was gone.

My Parents sighting.

Sometime ago my parents were visiting my aunt she lived on a fram in a small village in yorkshire.
during the evening they left and started driving down the farm road thats leads to my aunts house this multi coloured object passed in front of the car about 300 yrds away about 40ft from the ground. my mum says she couldnt even tell you what colour it was as it was that many colours at one time she said it was beautiful, my dad nearly crashed his car into the ditch at the side of road while watching the object fly past. it was low enough to be seen through the windscreen without having to look up he said. My parents are now firm believers in ET's.

My Brother and his Girlfriends sighting

My Brother was working a nightshift on a site located near Doncaster during 1997 -1998. He and his girlfriend was sat in the car sometime 11pm - 2am looking up at a triangular object moving across the sky. Without taking his eyes of the object he asked his girlfriend if she was seeing the same thing as he was, she said yes and went on to described the object to him. He said after it had gone all the sounds of the birds and traffic just came back out of nowhere as if all the sound outside the car had gone quiet for the duration of the sighting. about 2 minutes after this happened the police and firebrigade turned up sirens and blue lights going came onto the site and told him they have had reports of fire and smoke in the area. He escorted the emergency services round the site to check for smoke or any other sign of fire but the site was ok and that it must of been a false alarm. He said the weird thing was they asked him if he had seen anything strange!?.
He will never forget that night and has only ever told close family about it. He mentioned it to me once in the past but didnt really go int it, Very recently while working the same shift i got him to talk about it in more detail, he even did a drawing of the shape and how the lights were positioned on the craft.He said the craft looked like a black triangle with bright white strip lights along two sides not quite making a point at the front. In the center of the black triangle was a set of red lights rotating in a circle pattern. it was not traveling at incredible speeds or anything he said it was just cruising faster than a plane and that it was bigger than a plane alot bigger and higher up it seemed.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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We did a search in google along the lines of "black triangle doncaster 1997 -1998" and got a couple of interesting hits!.
Seems to have been a wave of sighting during 97 and 98. Here is a couple of expamples.

TWO MEN CLAIM A BLACK TRIANGLE UFO CRASHED NEAR SHEFFIELD

On March 24, 1997, at 10:06 p.m., a mysterious explosion rocked South Yorkshire. The boom, confirmed by Edinburgh University, was attributed to a sonic boom from an RAF jet flying too low at supersonic speed or to a bolide or exploding meteor.

Now two men, one a ufologist who wishes to remain anonymous, claim they saw a black triangular UFO pass over their house near Sheffield and Dronenfield, Yorks. just prior to the blast.

The ufologist's friend claims he looked out the window at 9:45 p.m. on March 24 and saw a large object fly over the house. He described it as a triangle, "200 feet in size, with a light at each tip and a large blue intense light in the center bottom."

He also claims to have seen the object followed by six RAF Tornado jet fighters, "first two, then two more, then two more. Following that, helicopters began to appear."

Hearing the explosion, the friend told the ufologist, and together they drove down Highway A57, also known as Snake Pass Road, hoping to find the crash site. They then ran into a police roadblock, which prevented them from entering "the barrens" beyond Sheffield.

Rumors of a "Black Triangle" (BT) crash persist in Britain, despite the official denials. Supporters of the theory cite an alert that evening at the Royal Hospital at Halamshire to expect the arrival of "plane crash victims." Also, there are unconfirmed reports of UFO radar contact at the bases RAF Cosford and RAF Shawcross. Investigation of these reports by Britain's UFO community continues. (Thanks to Errol Bruce-Knapp for forwarding this story.)

source : www.ufoinfo.com...

Black Triangle seen in Doncaster - 28 July, 1998 at 01.30

Early one summer morning, Stainforth mum Debbie Scorer walked out of her house to find a giant triangle hovering above her. To this day she does not know what the object was, but it is the first of three weird sightings Debbie has discussed with UFO 2000. Debbie, of Fifth Square, Stainforth, Doncaster, went out into her garden after thinking she had heard the sound of a helicopter. When she went outside she saw the huge shape above her home with moving lights along the sides. The whole thing was slowly moving just above the rooftops.

The second experience was with her whole family as they drove through Stainforth where she, boyfriend Tony Curran and children Jamie and Thomas saw a light in the sky. They described it as a big orange with the appearance of light and darker segment shapes. They first sighted it over houses and followed it until they reached the end of Stainforth' s Kingsway, where it moved off towards Dunscroft Broadway.

source www.donny.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 08:13 AM
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I think that aliens are real, but that is my personal belief. However, if you think about it logically you'll see that of all the billions of galaxies we know about and can see and the billions we have yet to discover, how is it possible that we are the only planet of them all that have intelligent life let alone life at all.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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One question , what kind of monkey did these ET's evolve from?
It is clearly stated by all legal teachings that an intellegent life form must go thru this 20 billion evolution from one cell and over to slime, then blablabla etc to a monkey for then to be a human.

So , lets say the Gray alien, it evolved from some grayish monkey with almond eyes ??? Just wondering since ET doesnt fitt the evodelusion theory and the mason darwin's claims..

Any ideas ??



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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The Grey's "I know of" would be more Botanical. They consume Chlorophyll and excrete it through there skin. To care for them we would do better with a Botanist rather then a Doctor. Blood would be greenish somewhat pea soup green. There are many Grey's and there are differences in the tinges of there skin color. I only talk of the ones I know that are Grey/Whites and lucky for you I am not getting into all that cause it is a waste of time as I see it.

They can't survive on our lands because there is to much oxygen however, they can breathe thin air for a time. They are in the deepest of our waters just as quite a few other species of beings are. These beings have been here and can travel the Universe they are just as much Terrestrial as you might consider them Extraterrestrial, the ships are air and water ships.

I wrote this all before so I will just say they are here and here in mass and if you want to discover how massive they are in our skies you have to slow things down....the ships move to fast and you only see them when they are either slow moving or stopped and move.

One thing I chuckle at is, on occassion they will bring the young up from the depths and some of these young belong to many humans so they can see where they came from and to see the pretty lights
if only you knew the stuff kept from you goodness you would be pi&&ed, my bad.

The young also can not breathe our air.......................yet

If/when you get to know the truth you will really feel stupid at how you allowed the wool to be pulled over your eyes.

Life in the Universe is massive.

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posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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You should link that excellent thread of yours observe50!


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posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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We are here, so they are here, it's simple logic.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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well i am glad some of you are LUCKY enough to sit there and say "I think they do or do not exist"

however, I am not so lucky, and i cannot have that privilege any longer

Once I saw real life events with my own eyeballs, I have been forced by nature/god/reality to confront the reality that there are indeed aliens from outer space around our planet

Once you see this stuff in RL, you no longer "think" anything.

You start "Knowing".



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Care to share? I am sure we would all be grateful to hear your story.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Hi soldier, pleased to see you are taking an interest in ufos. My name is ufo orb hunter and as the name iplies I go looking for ufo orbs or as others my call them foo fighters/star of Bethlehem/Nuremberg type ufos/willow the wisps/jack o the lanterns/fairy lights etc. I've experienced them numerous times since first contact in 1992, have 'talked' to them using a communicator, actually been 4 foot from an angle grinder white type that morphed into a Jesus light of holier than holy white beautiful light, seen the ufo orbs organise themselves in pairs of yellow green red white orange amber into a perfect circle above us and seen a mothership that is connected to them fly over us four times and rain on us a type of cotton wool /candy floss substance. I filmed them too and that pic in my avatar is a shot of a 29 minute sighting in 2006. In short the ufo orbs are completely real and are possibly the same as the critters on the NASA STS footage. If you have any questions about this particular area of ufology please go ahead, yours sincerely, ufoorbhunter




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