Originally posted by grapesofraft
Well at least your inching your way to the truth. It is more likely that the humans from Ford made all the crop circles than it is that aliens did it.

Well at least you are now inching your way to a logically defensible position. It is more likely that humans make crop circles than aliens.
I would agree with that!

But that is an almost infinite stretch to the proposition that you (or anyone else posting on ATS) can prove that all crop circles are proven to be made by humans because you (or they) read someplace that someone was charged with making a crop circle. I mean a lot of things are written on ATS, and I am very sceptical about many things I read here as I am about things I read elsewhere on the Internet. So even if it was true that someone was charged and proven in a court of law of committing a crime, that does not prove it. Otherwise, you would never have convictions overturned.

Anyways, as I previously stated, it is a logical fallacy to use a single case or a couple of cases to prove a generalization. You cannot prove that all people have blue eyes because some people have blue eyes.

Originally posted by hermantinkly
Guys, I got some news for you. Yes, a large portion of the crop circles are indeed man-made. But just because they're man-made does not mean there is no ET influence. I happen to be priviledged to know that the ETs are using the mind as the tool. Much the same way a channeler tunes into a source and downloads information to present to an audience; crop circle artists' minds are also being downloaded with information on certain designs to make. Afterwards the UFOs usually modify or "fix" the designs if they are not made correctly in the fields.

You don't have to believe this but I guarantee you this is the case. My brother used to be an NSA operative during the Clinton administration and even admitted this to me back in 1993 but back then I wasn't interested in the subject and didn't make much of it. It wasn't until recently that I said, wow, this is significant!

ht

Cool!
What else did your brother tell you?
Did he talk about the Roswell crash?
Disclosure procedure appears to be start with Roswell and then go
from there.
President Carter told people that he has seen the hangers and
that they should keep believing what they believe.
The CIA probably drove him out to S4 where Bob Lazar worked.

Originally posted by hermantinkly
WHo is Richard McNamara?

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Hey!
What's with the edit?
You took away all the good info!

Guys, I got some news for you. Yes, a large portion of the crop circles are indeed man-made. But just because they're man-made does not mean there is no ET influence. I happen to be priviledged to know that the ETs are using the mind as the tool. Much the same way a channeler tunes into a source and downloads information to present to an audience; crop circle artists' minds are also being downloaded with information on certain designs to make. Afterwards the UFOs usually modify or "fix" the designs if they are not made correctly in the fields.

You don't have to believe this but I guarantee you this is the case. My brother used to be an NSA operative during the Clinton administration and even admitted this to me back in 1993 but back then I wasn't interested in the subject and didn't make much of it. It wasn't until recently that I said, wow, this is significant!

ht

Originally posted by hermantinkly
Guys, I got some news for you. Yes, a large portion of the crop circles are indeed man-made. But just because they're man-made does not mean there is no ET influence. I happen to be priviledged to know that the ETs are using the mind as the tool. Much the same way a channeler tunes into a source and downloads information to present to an audience; crop circle artists' minds are also being downloaded with information on certain designs to make. Afterwards the UFOs usually modify or "fix" the designs if they are not made correctly in the fields.
ht

Hey. I don't know if any of that is true, but it sure is interesting. But to me I can't understand why if the crop circle designs are made by aliens, why do they look so much like something that people would come up with?

Still, I do like the idea in one way. It would explain two things:
1) Why there are not more big boo boos in crop circle designs. Especially when they are made by a bunch of englishmen stumbling around in the darkness. (Because, as you suggest in your theory that aliens "fix" the boo boos).
2) Assuming that all (or most) of the crop circles are made by humans, and these are being made in the same fields year after year, why is it that you don't have a lot of these people being "caught in the act". Perhaps they are being made by humans (maybe some english guys who are tall with blond hair and white "hoodies"). But the aliens use their mind control to put all the local farmers to sleep - same for the cops and the rest of the public who never seem to catch these guys. (Do they use flashlights to see in the dark?)

Of course, this being ATS, I am waiting for someone to say that it is NSA that is using mind control to get the circle makers to go out and create the circles.

Anyways, that is an interesting idea there, even if it can't be proven.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to Wow you just dont get it. I can at least say some people have blue eyes because I can prove that to be fact. I could also say it is more likely that crop circles are created only by people with blue eyes because at least I have proof that people with blue eyes actually exist on the planet Earth.

Yes, you could say that. But because you could say that, it wouldn't "prove it". It could be that you are colour blind as an example. So your observations would be in error and thus your conclusions wrong, even for those people you "proved" to have blue eyes. Because in reality, their eyes are green!

(Okay, I don't know if you are colour blind, but supposing you were)

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by hermantinkly
Guys, I got some news for you. Yes, a large portion of the crop circles are indeed man-made. But just because they're man-made does not mean there is no ET influence. I happen to be priviledged to know that the ETs are using the mind as the tool. Much the same way a channeler tunes into a source and downloads information to present to an audience; crop circle artists' minds are also being downloaded with information on certain designs to make. Afterwards the UFOs usually modify or "fix" the designs if they are not made correctly in the fields.

You don't have to believe this but I guarantee you this is the case. My brother used to be an NSA operative during the Clinton administration and even admitted this to me back in 1993 but back then I wasn't interested in the subject and didn't make much of it. It wasn't until recently that I said, wow, this is significant!

ht

Cool!
What else did your brother tell you?
Did he talk about the Roswell crash?
Disclosure procedure appears to be start with Roswell and then go
from there.
President Carter told people that he has seen the hangers and
that they should keep believing what they believe.
The CIA probably drove him out to S4 where Bob Lazar worked.

Hello.

He did not mention anything about the Roswell incident and I was reluctant to ask him at the time as I did not really make much of this subject back then. It was just something that popped into a conversation we were having and I don't think he thought I would even take him seriously, and he was right until recently. I believe we were talking about the government funded LSD experiments during the 1960s and the topic somehow diverged into cropcircles.

One thing I do remember him telling me that might be of interest is that they held certain long standing projects on people with certain drugs and that the stimulus of certain brain cells and fluids with these drugs opened up brain functions that allowed for communciation with certain extraterrestrial species. I have no idea what the name of the drugs were though, it was rather confusing. I think I remember "methyl" in the name. That is all I can remember.

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Originally posted by hermantinkly
He did not mention anything about the Roswell incident and I was reluctant to ask him at the time as I did not really make much of this subject back then. It was just something that popped into a conversation we were having and I don't think he thought I would even take him seriously, and he was right until recently. I believe we were talking about the government funded LSD experiments during the 1960s and the topic somehow diverged into cropcircles.

One thing I do remember him telling me that might be of interest is that they held certain long standing projects on people with certain drugs and that the stimulus of certain brain cells and fluids with these drugs opened up brain functions that allowed for communciation with certain extraterrestrial species. I have no idea what the name of the drugs were though, it was rather confusing. I think I remember "methyl" in the name. That is all I can remember.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by hermantinkly]

Although I have been joking around in some of the verbal jousting on this thread, I do take your comments seriously.

I have my own experience which suggests the "reality of alien contact" and I know that the government is most likely quite aware of their presence, which the government wishes to keep secret from us because most people are very threatened by the whole idea.

Plus I do believe their is evidence the government and military have been involved in all sorts of "mind manipulation" research. I also have come upon cases of possible "alien telepathic communication" as part of some peoples personal experiences.

Note that I do not pretend that this can be proven in any way so I am making no claims that I am asking anyone to believe.