It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by AnonymousMoose
Just because they have more AMMO than you doesn't make it right, but you do have to give in roll over and Take it.
Originally posted by muffingirl
reply to post by chiron613
I think you're right about the IRS. It is legal for the IRS to tax us, regardless if it was approved by Congress, or whatever. It is already well-established and there is no way they will let people get out of paying what they owe over technicalities.
Besides fining you, garnishing your wages, seizing money in your bank accounts, making you pay back taxes with interest, they also might arrest you, too. They can seize your assets also. So people, don't mess around with the IRS unless you have 100 million people revolting with you.
Also, I want to point out to the OP, like someone else did, that the IRS is not based in Puerto Rico. They have offices in different places across the country. A phone number for an advocate, is probably for the benefit of Spanish-speaking people. Just because you find an address somewhere in an IRS booklet, don't assume you know what it's for. That is really dumb.
Might someone with legal expertise explain what an advocate is, and why it would be in Puerto Rico?
Originally posted by romanmel
The owners of this country don't have to resort to these old methods to steal your money anymore though. Now they just tell TPTB how much they wish to deduct from your net worth and Big-Gov sends it to them in the form of "stimulus money"...Ha,Ha.
Originally posted by Alaskan Man
has anyone here not paid there taxes?
what were the repercussions?
how did you go about it?
i am very curious if you can actually get away with it, or if they'll come and seize everything you own.
Originally posted by Quazze
I will play devil's advocate here:
If you don't pay your taxes annually (or quarterly, depending if you are a business owner), then how come so many people go to jail, have to pay hefty fines, and/or required to pay back taxes?
How come James Brown and Wesley Snipes went to jail and had to pay back taxes if this is not a law requiring them to do so? Even Dionne Warwick and Sinbad received major fines. These individuals clearly had top-dollar lawyers to defend them in a court of law ... and obviously they were found guilty.
So I ask, if you are not required to pay taxes, how come a court of law can find a person guilty?
The IRS is actually a private collection agency hired by and working for the U.S. Dept of the Treasury as a revenue collection subcontractor. They are exactly what they say they are A REVENUE COLLECTION SERVICE, not much different than the ones working for Banks that need to collect outstanding credit card debt. It is no different than Blackwater which is a private contract para-military police force. Do you understand now?
The Law: There is a host of constitutional and statutory authority establishing that the Internal Revenue Service is an agency of the United States. The U.S. Supreme Court stated in Donaldson v. United States, 400 U.S. 517, 534 (1971), "[w]e bear in mind that the Internal Revenue Service is organized to carry out the broad responsibilities of the Secretary of the Treasury under § 7801(a) of the 1954 Code for the administration and enforcement of the internal revenue laws."
Pursuant to section 7801, the Secretary of Treasury has full authority to administer and enforce the internal revenue laws and has the power to create an agency to enforce such laws. Based upon this, the Internal Revenue Service was created. Thus, the Internal Revenue Service is a body established by "positive law" because it was created through a congressionally mandated power. Moreover, section 7803(a) explicitly provides that there shall be a Commissioner of Internal Revenue who shall administer and supervise the execution and application of the internal revenue laws.
Relevant Case Law:
Salman v. Dept. of Treasury, 899 F. Supp. 471 (D. Nev. 1995) - The court described Salman's contention that the Internal Revenue Service is not a government agency of the United States as wholly frivolous and dismissed his claim with prejudice.
Young v. I.R.S., 596 F. Supp. 141 (N.D. Ind. 1984) - The court granted summary judgment in favor of the government, rejecting Young's claim that the Internal Revenue Service is a private corporation, rather than a government agency.
What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers
and King George were working hand-n-hand to bring the people of America to
there knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a
debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED
STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See
Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)