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Help, My wife doesn't know why we celebrate July 4th

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posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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“we also don't need to know or care what Washington or Jefferson or Adams thought about universal sufferage or the rights of slaves.”

It is very clear that you haven’t read any of the Founding Documents. What they discussed goes far deeper into the philosophies of Freedom, particularly limiting government in order to preserve Freedom. The Founders wrote NOTHING that has expired with time. All of their philosophies are directly applicable to all people in all times.

Try reading the “Federalist Papers” and perhaps the “Political Writings of Thomas Jefferson”, to mention only two. You would be pleasantly surprised to learn how much thought went into their philosophies and musings. You would also then see clearly how the voters of this Nation are destroying their Freedom out of pure ignorance.




posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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I don't think anything I can cay will be anywhere near as intelligently put as "LifeIsPeculiar" stated it. I will referr you to his postings from now on because quite frankly I am speechless at this point.

BTW, can anyone point out to me where it is that I said I laughed at my wife? I asked her a few questions and that was it. I still am at a loss as to why there is this need to protect someone who hasn't been attacked.

Emotions are the enemy ladies. Take a few deep breaths before you reply next time. At the very least, CAREFULLY READ THE ENTIRE OP BEFORE SPOUTING OFF!!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
The brain is a muscle, it gets tired.



See this is what I mean right here. Did she honestly just say that?
Ohh let me guess......You were extremely tired when you posted this?
Riiiiiiight.

I hate to be the one to take you to school but...........the brain isn't a muscle sweety. UmmmK?
It is what we call an organ.

Now I am not the smartest man alive but GDDAMN!!!!
We have all got to do something about the education our youth are receiving.

edit to add: let me just help you out of this sticky situation because I feel bad for you right now.

TIP:
Just come back and say " What I meant was, the brain is LIKE a muscle".

That way it can be chalked up as a misunderstanding and you will avoid appearing uneducated.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Jesus H Christ]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
reply to post by total_slacker
 


I don't think anything I can cay will be anywhere near as intelligently put as "LifeIsPeculiar" stated it. I will referr you to his postings from now on because quite frankly I am speechless at this point.

BTW, can anyone point out to me where it is that I said I laughed at my wife? I asked her a few questions and that was it. I still am at a loss as to why there is this need to protect someone who hasn't been attacked.

Emotions are the enemy ladies. Take a few deep breaths before you reply next time. At the very least, CAREFULLY READ THE ENTIRE OP BEFORE SPOUTING OFF!!!!!!!


For some reason you keep pointing out that the ladies need to calm down? I am very calm so I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I believe the men have said the exact same thing so you really need to quit attacking women.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by Jesus H Christ
 


My wife is an RN as well. Just hug her, tell her we beat those pesky chinese people with the atomic bomb when it dropped on hitler. Three days after that Jesus rose and gave us christmas.





Just be patient. . .


OMG i wish i could talk that way to my girlfriend but i would get bashed in the skull quickly. However on topic , i do know people who do not know some of the simplest things you would think everyone knew. For example me and her were having a conversation one day about global warming etc and she thought antarctica was connected to south america and that polar bears lived there. lol. I have a coworker who claimed america was the birthplace of democracy lol and one of the dumbest was when my sister once told me that jewish people dont eat cows because they worship them. Ahh and all this in the wonderful world of the internet were everything can be known in 2 seconds and a click of a button.
LOL



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by canadianmouse


For some reason you keep pointing out that the ladies need to calm down? I am very calm so I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I believe the men have said the exact same thing so you really need to quit attacking women.


Ok Ok calm down. No need for foul language. Stop being so defensive. No one is attacking you personally.Sheesh.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Don't get me started man. This whole "incident" just opened a can of worms, let me tell you. My wife is very compassionate and caring but any knowledge that isn't forced upon her through t.v. or movies is a waste of her time.

That's why I have been pulling a Mr. Miagi on her. I take her to see movies that have a grain of truth in them, possibly historical accuracy.
It's a win win situation. She gets a night out being entertained and I get to expose her to truths that she would otherwisse not be exposed to.

Unbeknownst to her she is learning something.

Wax on...Wax off.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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" I take her to see movies that have a grain of truth in them, possibly historical accuracy."

Get "The Patriot" on DVD. At least that movie spreads some Spirit. The HBO series "John Adams" is one look behind the scenes of the Revolution that is fairly accurate. It is a biography, not overly uplifting.

You've hung in here like a trooper. Ignorant people do not understand the damage they can do at the polls. They won't know what they've lost till its gone. It is sad that the Founder's "Great Experiement" will fail, especially when we consider the blood and toil it took to build and hold this Nation.

I've been reading Founding documents a lot since this thread started. They knew well that ignorance and "redistribution of wealth" would eventually destroy their creation.

I'm also shocked to see how accurately Thomas Jefferson forsaw the condition of societies in South America. The Founders were well read and in constant correspondance with people all over the world. Jefferson even had pen pals of high rank in Russia.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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That is a movie I've not yet seen. I'll put it on the list.
I am no historical scholar mind you. And contrary to popular opinion I have no super brain. What I have learned thus far is ignorance is not only everywhere but people will actually go to great lengths to defend their right to be ignorant.

Ignorance is a battle that can be won. It can be won through teaching.
But, the willfully ignorant, well that's another story. You can't win that battle.
If someone says "I don't know and I don't want to know because I don't need to know". Or "It's none of my business" or " I'll never use that information" well,
Like I said in the O.P.....WE"RE SCREWED"!!!!!

And yes the founding fathers namely "T.J." seemed to have a crystal ball.Spooky.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Jesus H Christ

Originally posted by canadianmouse


For some reason you keep pointing out that the ladies need to calm down? I am very calm so I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I believe the men have said the exact same thing so you really need to quit attacking women.


Ok Ok calm down. No need for foul language. Stop being so defensive. No one is attacking you personally.Sheesh.


Foul language?? Hell is foul? lol



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by fizzy1

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by Jesus H Christ
 


My wife is an RN as well. Just hug her, tell her we beat those pesky chinese people with the atomic bomb when it dropped on hitler. Three days after that Jesus rose and gave us christmas.





Just be patient. . .


OMG i wish i could talk that way to my girlfriend but i would get bashed in the skull quickly. However on topic , i do know people who do not know some of the simplest things you would think everyone knew. For example me and her were having a conversation one day about global warming etc and she thought antarctica was connected to south america and that polar bears lived there. lol. I have a coworker who claimed america was the birthplace of democracy lol and one of the dumbest was when my sister once told me that jewish people dont eat cows because they worship them. Ahh and all this in the wonderful world of the internet were everything can be known in 2 seconds and a click of a button.
LOL



And you think the proper way to talk about a conversation that you and your girlfriend were having should start as me and her. When it is her and I. See there are lots of basic things that people should know but they don't, there is not reason to laugh at them. Just educate and move on.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Again, where is there any mention of ANYONE laughing at ANYONE?
This type of emotional response is what I've come to expect. Can we at least TRY to read thoroughly? I mean it is one thing to misunderstand something but quite another to read things that were NEVER written.

Take the emotion caps off people. Put the thinking caps ON!!!



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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Here are a bunch of quotes from the Founders that address our topic directly:

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
Thomas Jefferson

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.
Thomas Jefferson

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
Thomas Jefferson

Information is the currency of democracy.
Thomas Jefferson

It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.
Thomas Jefferson

Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government.
Thomas Jefferson

A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce, or a tragedy, or perhaps both.
James Madison

A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people.
James Madison

Despotism can only exist in darkness, and there are too many lights now in the political firmament to permit it to remain anywhere, as it has heretofore done, almost everywhere.
James Madison

Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.
James Madison

Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.
James Madison

These sort of quotes are made by all of our Founders. Franklin's are usually funny, but germane



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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Goodness Gracious, look at this one:

To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea.
James Madison



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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AND A DIRECT HIT BELOW THE WATER LINE:

Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will be useful to him in life and practice. As soon as he opens his lips, he should rehearse the history of his own country.

Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America, 1788



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Well this all certainly sounds familiar. It is nice to know that I am in good company. I was starting to question my sanity. I am copying your post and saving it. I will read it whenever I begin to feel myself thinking along the lines of several posters here.

I can not believe that there are people living in this country who feel that there is no need to arm ourselves with this knowledge.

I wasn't always such a stickler. I was a H.S. dropout for gods sake. I took a couple of classes in college. They were Criminal Justice. It taught me allot about how our country works, laws, their origin, and most importantly, our Constitution.

But with all I've learned there is one thing that I knew going in. One thing I have known since a small child. Something that was drilled into my head every year. Why we celebrate the 4th of July. lol.

Come on folks. I still want some of you to ask around, but, It is starting to look like I have hit so many nerves and stepped on a few toes by being so audacious and rude enough to ask such a ridiculous question in the first place.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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"I wasn't always such a stickler. I was a H.S. dropout for gods sake. I took a couple of classes in college."

Neither was I. Through high school and college I avoided history at all costs and got terrible grades when forced to take the courses. My interest and reading started when I realized that our Nation is starting to fail. I've known this for over twenty years now, so I've been reading furiously. I try to get people into their history whenever possible. Your thread proves to be an excellent opportunity.

We're going to lose our Nation very soon if "We The Sheeple" don't wake up really soon. Our plunge into tyranny is deep right now, and most citizens don't have a clue. Jefferson wrote at length on this very topic. Ignorance petrified him.

Our system has fallen to an actual plan. The following was a well-financed operation that was managed by the KGB. I'd say they were very successful:

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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CONTINUED:

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.


32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.



posted on Jul, 10 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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I wouldn't really call this a conspiracy... just tell her to read a book.

There's plenty of people like this out there that just don't know things or can't retain info.



posted on Jul, 10 2009 @ 11:51 PM
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I am on the fence with this one. One part of me wants to believe this is a lie because how can any American not go through school (Elementary to High School) and not know anything about July 4th. Since this is a conspiracy site and I know we all love conspiracies here, I want to believe your wife is not the person she says she is. DUN DUN DUNNNN!

Another part of me wants to believe she is telling the truth. This is your opportunity to tell her that the purpose of the day is for something that it isn't really for. I don't know how far I can go with the language and so on, but I am sure you catch my drift... WINK WINK!



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