Well first off why would China wanna destabilize its NEW position on the world stage?

To the Chinese, physically attacking the US would be a very poor strategy of aggression.

Think about it, they hold our debt which is a strategic long term move, a war would only
hurt their economy and dominance of the world markets.

Just because the odds are that it would be folly to invade the US does not mean that the zealots of other nations wouldn't try it. It has never stopped them in the past from trying something that had no chance of becoming reality. I personally don't trust either Putin nor China in this regard. America will in some future time be invaded. Whether its in our lifetime or not remains to be seen!

Zindo

Originally posted by Udontknowme
... No gun can defend against a chemical attack, or geneological attack.

Yeah, I'd be hating life if my family tree got attacked....

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Originally posted by BostonBill99

Originally posted by Udontknowme
... No gun can defend against a chemical attack, or geneological attack.

Yeah, I'd be hating life if my family tree got attacked....

Second line

Dont worry freind,I got miracal grow...

We are already under attack..if obama does away with immigration, anyone can come in without being screened. Armys desguised as citizens could come abroad, kinda like a trojan horse. and thats that then folks.

It doesn't matter who you are if America is attacked, bombs don't know ethnicity and despite what most biased people think of immigrants, most immigrants FLED to America.

The only thing holding Americans back is other Americans, a desire to not fight among ourselves

If ANY enemy touched these shores g-d help them...

we'd have Canada and probably Mexico too

Quite a bit of territory to hold when you consider how well we did or the Russians did in places like Afghanistan and Vietnam which don't remotely come close in land area

The initial invasion would probably be successful given the sheer lack of desire to give up comfort

But once we ran out of cigarettes and Prozac and the Cable went off g-d help the invaders.

The Industrial base here alone... number of cars, raw materials... even disarmed, it would be very easy to re arm at light speed...

WE signed a Nuclear treaty today but lol... Texas alone has about 7,000 war heads sitting in storage, makes for allot of dirty, dirty bombs...

How much chemical waste do we need to dispose of LOL

How many Nuclear plants?

How many speed boats do we own, cars, Caterpillars, trucks that can quickly be fitted?

We have no lack of ability to create explosives... in a day from the moment we are attacked...

No... a trip between home depot and walgreens would be all i'd need have a 100-1 kill ratio against an enemy from the shelter of the natural environment

I mean seriously... locally to me now 60,000 people 250,000 guns, tons of ammo, trucks a small airport, power plant thousands of people without being on the grid... Trucks, heavy construction equipment, a university that has a small cdc funded center... bio warfare is local, good hospital... Millions of acres of woods surrounding...

You gotta be kidding me... every kid in my one town has advanced tactics training via military simulation games...

Let alone America...

It would be suicide to invade the USA even if we had no Nukes to stop it, no Navy and hadn't spent 20 Trillion dollars on secret weapons programs so you Could actually land...

Okay, I'll stipulate the air and naval superiority required to land a large force, say 40 divisions: 4 airborne, 10 armored, 12 mechanized and 14 assorted infantry, artillery and support divisions.

First question is where to land? You can't land in two zones because there aren't enough troops; forty divisions are a lot, but not enough to safely split.

Florida is out as the terrain is unsuitable for anything but gators and Seminoles: tanks and mech divisions would be useless there; besides, any force capturing florida is trapped on an easily plugged penisula. And if they thought they had problems controlling Chechens or Tibetans, good luck with Floridians: half of them are from New York, the other half from Cuba, another half Native, and another local: yeah, I know that's four halves, and so would an invader.

Louisiana is...look, have you ever been to Louisiana? Again, if it doesn't float, it won't go anywhere but a graveyard in that state: all the roads are basically on dikes, surrounded by water. Pop the front and back of a column, then shoot the rest at your leisure: they ain't going anywhere. If by chance they took New Orleans....uhh, hello guys, welcome to New Orleans. Were you aware it's located below sealevel? No? Well, now you are, hope you can swim.

Mississipi is Louisana, slightly dryer.

Texas? Good freaking luck there: lots and lots and lots and even lots more room to lead any invader on a merry chase until their tongues are hanging out, their tanks are out of gas, and they haven't a clue of where the hell they are. Give some good ol' Texas boys and girls a few trucks, a couple of off-road vehicles, a welder and a little time and the Somalis would be lining up for lessons on how to create technicals; toss in a keg or two and you might wind up with a whole new class of weaponry. Hell, Texans would probably enjoy an invasion.

Pretty much the same things apply to the Carolinas as Louisiana and Mississippi.

Anywhere along the Northwest Coast you're looking at rainforest and mountains: any foriegner trying to penetrate that terrain will soon be living the legend of the Donner party.

What really gives me chuckles is the idea of Los Angeles being invaded: an invader could lose most of his armor and mech units just trying to get through town. I don't mean destroyed, necessarily: I mean lost as in "Does anyone know where the damned hell we are?" On LA freeways they'd get about four tanks per mile or so if they where really, really careful and really, really lucky. I'm pretty sure the gangbangers wouldn't ask for permission to start blowing tanks up with firebombs.

In my personal neck of the woods, I've already id'd primary and secondary fire points, choke points, sniper positions and fallback routes. I've shown them to my granddaughter and had her explain to me who would be assigned where and why. With a scratch force of twenty and a day or two to prepare I could hold a battalion size unit up for about two days or so: no one would move east of me on the roads I cover. Give me a force of 100 and a regiment wouldn't get through for at least a week, air power or no. Give me 200 with 50 of them experienced and I'll counterattack. As long as ammo held up, any invader would find it extremely painful trying to break out of California because the terrain really favors defense. And if ny some miracle they actually broke out into the desert....wow, wouldja look at all the targets all out there in the open...

There's not an army big enough to invade and hold the US. Most of the major cities would be absolute nightmares. Holding and controlling LA alone could very easily soak up 3 to 6 divisions. Googlemap San Diego and look at all the canyons. Every road has a hill looking down on it. With all the ex-military we have around here there would be about a thousand snipers in those hills: count an average of four kills apiece and there goes the better part of a division.

Not worried in the slightest about a foriegn invader.

[edit on 6-7-2009 by apacheman]