Could We Fight a Foreign Attack on U.S. Soil?

Originally posted by gravykraken

i would be willing to bet that the government/military includes this (armed citizens) as part of the nation's defense, even relying on it. they can spread themselves thin knowing there is a very large partisan army just waiting to be let off of the chain.

interesting point...wonder if that's true...and even if it's not, in a worst-case scenario they probably soon would.

on the FEMA/DHS site, they don't have a little leaflet for this, do they? like they do for nuclear attack and a few other things? guess they're betting on this not being a likely scenario too.

Originally posted by patientobserver
I think youre all missing a major point, If the US were ever to face an invasion and foreign troops made it on to our soil, I can say with certainty that nukes will be thrown, there is nothing for any country to gain here trying to lead an ivasion on the ground. so the chances of ever seeing any physical combat with other foreginers is limited to those that are invading from mexico

...and we retaliate and nuclear winter sets in around the globe?

Originally posted by pyrytyes
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

"And finally, I don't hope it plays out this way. I just think and worry. But I'm sure more brilliant minds have done all the planning for me already and I should just start sleeping again, right?"

I was not serious about you wanting it to happen.

But, I was serious about getting some sleep. You must be ALERT when the SHTF!

It isn't worth worrying about...be mentally prepared to do want ever you have to do, is the best plan you can have.

Stay healthy....

whew glad that's settled.

as for being prepared..i'm doing my best. i don't have a lot of support from friends and family (other than my 19 yo son) in that area tho...that's mostly why i worry. but i also know my survival instincts and will are high...thanks to parents who did survive the thick of wwii, i probably know as much about what could and would happen as anyone in this unlikeliest of scenarios.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


"...i don't have a lot of support from friends and family (other than my 19 yo son) in that area tho...that's mostly why i worry....."

Support comes from a variety of sources, and you have a lot of that HERE, and on ATS!

Originally posted by pyrytyes
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

"...i don't have a lot of support from friends and family (other than my 19 yo son) in that area tho...that's mostly why i worry....."

Support comes from a variety of sources, and you have a lot of that HERE, and on ATS!

i know that and i really, really appreciate it. you have no idea how much. thanks.

yes we can, our army is the best, we can fight any sort of attack on our home land.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Well you would have the majority of Europe on your side, imo we owe the US a debt of honour after your aid in WW2(and then you can pay us instead of us paying you back ^^), i know we wouldnt of won without the supplies you bravely sent to us Brits and then the eventual entering of the war.. if it's against the Chinese and Russians i'd volunteer to go with the Expeditionary Force

I might be all anti-US government but not against the American people and i lament the British Empire having to be given up due to US pressure and repayments from the war.. *sigh* anyway i for one wouldnt leave you to defend yourselves on your own.. you got your cousins at your back!

imo you would be able to hold on for a while...but not forever.. two HUGE countries with very powerful militaries on your country as you say which is demoralised and disillusioned and militarily weak due to overstretching. You would need another continent on your side.. I.E Europe.. remember you got N Korea and Cuba aswell who would most likely join the conflict if it happened, beware the literal "red dragon" on your doorstep.

reply to post by John Edwards


technologically wise your army is best but quality wise i would say sub-par to western militaries, you barely took over 2 countries in 8 years with the loss of over 6,000 troops and 10,000's wounded

i seriously cannot see the US military being able to outlast cyber attacks,airborne attacks,seaborne attacks and amphibious landings..

you would hold on but not win... China would overrun within a few months

they have 17 million soldiers in reserve along with 540 million being of age and medically fit for a war... take out NORAD,STRATCOM,The Pentagon and your cyber war divison (don't know the name) you would be militarily annhilated for a good amount of time till emergency powers take over. if they hit the white house unexpectedly with the president and your cabinet inside i think say bye bye to all military and civil leadership

hell a hacker with Aspergers shut down your atlantic fleet for 3 weeks and compromised the pentagon security systems.. you need strengthening in every region i read a report in 2006 about NORAD and the USAF only has 2 fighters patrolling the east coast at any one time and 4 on the west coast...i mean wow...i feel really secure if i lived there (!)

This isn't the 1940's when the technology was inferior to today by a long shot. Although our government KNEW Pearl Harbor was coming, but choose to ignore it instead. That is the only scenario that could happen.

As far as a completely surprise invasion, it will never EVER happen. The US technology is too FAR to advanced for any kind of slow moving ships to reach our shores for attack. Give you head a shake, do you seriously think a fleet of aircraft carriers can get by thousands of satellites, radar, sonar, coast guard patrols, and god knows whatever else the US has we don't know about?

Even if a large force was detected and most of our military units were on mission somewhere, we still have a hanger of B2 bombers which pretty much can reach any target in the world in hours and are undetectable on radar.

China's infantry is illrelevant because they have no means of transporting them safely.

Not country would risk allihlation, not even China.

China doesn't have to win by force anyway, they can win without ever firing a shot, which is what they are trying to do now.

Read the "Art Of War", and you may may gain insight into China's agenda.



[edit on 4-7-2009 by Hung Lo]

Originally posted by John Edwards
yes we can, our army is the best, we can fight any sort of attack on our home land.

while i appreciate and agree with the sentiment, i'd like to see some real numbers. are there enough military here to stave off an air or ground attack (or both)?

reply to post by Hung Lo


a few words to that..

1 you don't have thousands of satellites, (i believe it's 110-230 most arent used for spying most are communications or entertainment)
2.coast guard patrols can be annihilated quickly with a missle strike,
3 radar can be slipped by with stealth tech, or by flying low (less than 100 metres above ground)
4 and aircraft carriers are now adapting that technology
5. and the US isnt prepared for invasion it ha splans but not implemented..

i don't see any barbed wire,tank traps,mines,gun emplacements,tank divisions, military outposts on your coasts or any SAM sites anywhere but military bases.. and ALL invasions begin with communication cuts and mass attacks on all known bases (kill them while they sleep... basically)

EDIT: also there arent 100's of B2's (around 30) when they get revealed on radar when they drop the bombs they will be shot down easily

another thing to note the Chinese do have the means to transport.. did you miss the flexing of the naval arms? they are on par with US navy with no carriers BUT there are 14 aircraft carriers in production first 7 to be finished in early 2010

I'm serious the USA alone would be annihilated if China AND Russia went to war with you. Russia can cross the bering straight into alaska and set that as their main strike base.. the CHinese would need to cross the ocean BUT with good escorts and experienced crew they could traverse it..

the only way the US could win is by using illegal weapons.. Nukes,Bio,Chem,EMP's,White Phosphorus,Microwave lasers(boil the water in your body) and much more that hasnt been revealed!

bear in mind if your stupid enough to use them.. be prepared to see the USA crumble under thousands of nuclear weapons

[edit on 17/05/09 by Raider of Truth]

reply to post by ~Lucidity


no the US doesnt nowhere near enough.. they have 1.3 million active troops compared to Chinese 5 million and 17 in reserve plus 540 million ready for conscription

reply to post by Hung Lo


thanks for your comment and opinion. i don't find my "paranoia" any more or less hilarious that the generalizing (and factless and numberless) jingoism in your post. no wait...hilarious isn't the word for your post...frighteningly simplistic might be better.

i fully realize this isn't the 1940s. It's 2009 and both our volunteer military and their equipment have been stretched woefully thin in the past 6-8 years. with things heating up in the asian corridor, it might even be stretched a bit thinner in the near future.

reply to post by Raider of Truth


yep. and the chinese (for example) have a proven track record at taking out satellites, don't they? and as i mentioned before, the schematics for at least one DoD satellite. i personally don't know if a plan to defend our soil at home even exists...i would ASSUME it must but then again i've assumed wrong before. and i'm certainly not privy to any compromises that may have occured to continue fighting our current wars.

Originally posted by LeTan
reply to post by Mainer

 

Not Texas, no. However, they could take oklahoma, new mexico and louisianna. That gives them 3 bases to launch attacks from, it would be the alamo all over again. However, yes, holding it would be almost near impossible.

As a Native American here in Oklahoma I will say they may take
the state, but it will be painful to keep it with poison/diseased water,
wildfires, and wooden mines.

Not to mention we have quite a few hunters out of the 3.6 million of us.

37 different tribes will put aside what few differences they used
to have and will work together.

en.wikipedia.org...

The tribes used to fight amongst themselves, but now we have
common ground and have inter-married between tribes quite a bit.

Good Luck to them...

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


on the ground, i couldn't agree more. if they bomb you, that might be a little tougher.

interesting how we seem to be hearing on a state-by-state level...it's good to see people preparing locally. but it's almost as if the assumption is little to no support on a national level, when one of the primary function OF the federal government is defense. maybe i'm reading too much into that.

Originally posted by Raider of Truth
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

no the US doesnt nowhere near enough.. they have 1.3 million active troops compared to Chinese 5 million and 17 in reserve plus 540 million ready for conscription

So 1.3 million active...would it be safe to assume at least half of them are on u.s. soil? And then we have reserves and of course law enforcement.

with over 300 million and a land mass as big as our to defend, would this even be doable?

isn't china one of the many nations that has mandatory conscription and training? that might be a factor too when we consider any new enlistees/draftees here in the u.s. would need to be trained, maybe on bases that were destroyed.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by ~Lucidity]

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


well you proved it along with your allies against us Brits(but that was the "new world" and had never encountered you before).. but times have changed...i'm sure a country as powerful as China KNOWS all about the tribes and their tactics..and i'm sorry but a tank division would annhilate you.. but it's worth a shot..i guess....

reply to post by Raider of Truth


thank you. and i'm sure we'd do the same for you again. in the end it's the people and the human level, not the governments that really matter and really come through, isn't it? and it sucks when we forget that. (ugh did that come off as t subversive or anti-government? didn't mean it to be.)