reply to post by Wertdagf
I do not doubt that one day computers will
mimic humans. But they will always be slave to the logic which is given to it from the
programmer.
The problem is
not getting the illusion of a choice being made. I do that every single day, and my programs make smart choices in what they
do. Because it is following the logic that I gave it.
A good part of my job is the collection and selling of data and being the middle man as much as possible. I have a program that does all this work
and the system is 100% automated. It will connect with other networks, get information, bids and so forth, and then it will use that information and
decide which one actually gets the information. I also buy information from other companies when I know I am able to resell that information to
another buyer, and the program/system does that as well. If it knows it can not resell the information for a profit, then it does not buy at all.
It handles millions of dollars in transactions a year, and I don't have to do anything, unless I want to get it to do more. Otherwise, I just sit
back and watch(honestly work on other stuff too etc).
It does all those things, faster and cheaper than is humanly possible for every a group of 20 people. It does intelligent things, and is a form of
artificial intelligence.
I also work on poker AI as a hobby. It memorizes hands and the peoples hands and generates statistics in order to do what it plays, as well as some
"random" generations which determine a style and % range in which it plays. Gives the illusion of making a choice. But I know it is not
actually doing it, it's only following the logic that I have given it directly.
Both do many great things, and many more things are possible. The ability to put the logic we come up with into something that will carry out that
logic is a huge advancement in things that are possible. If you can come up with the logic to do it, then you can put that in a machine that will
carry out and follow that logic 100% and without argument. They will end up doing many wonderful things, and it is the "future".
But it is incapable of coming up with it's own logic. Even if you have a it repeat every possible pattern using pseudo random numbers you would hit
on logical things. But without something to realize it is logical, the program itself has no clue that what it has generated is anymore logical than
the ones that weren't.
Maybe you are just a program as such. I honestly have no way of knowing because it is possible to create that illusion. You could have no real idea
what I mean by being that which observes, and you could simply by AI yourself. Any logic you speak may very well have been programmed into you.
And I'll be honest, it would probably explain alot of things in the world about why people look towards authority and credibility rather than what
they understand, as they do not actually understand anything.
So maybe you are that. But I know I am not. I don't really think you are either, but it is surely possible that you are.
As for your bible quote, you have turned that into father as meaning like you biological dad that you copy as a child. The father is within, and is
the father within that makes those things possible.
My flesh is of this world, it is incapable of all these things on it's own. It is only because of the father within that "I" am able to exist, and
only because of the father that is within that I have free will, choice, and the ability to create and come up with logic. 2 realms, what is flesh
is flesh and what is spirit is spirit.
