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Topic started on 3-7-2009 @ 08:45 PM by nixie_nox
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I think I have heard rumors of this before, but the theory is that the mother's immune system may be attacking the baby's brain in utero, causing
this mental disorder. Either that, the immune system is attacking the sufferer's body, but since the brain is so delicate, symptoms show up first in
in mental illness, then as health issues. People who suffer mental health conditions such a bipolar, depression, and sch... tend to report pain
issues. Much like fibromyalgia or arthritis. So it makes sense that it could be an immune issue.
Mental health is a serious problem that has a great stigma, is under studied and lacks critical attention. It is an awful thing for the sufferers and
their families to deal with. And millions of Americans suffer from it.
But it does seem they are looking, and there is hope......
schizophrenia may be linked...
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reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 09:53 PM by UmbraSumus
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reply to post by nixie_nox
Very interesting nixie nox.
I believe that Schizophrenia is also linked with an impaired sense of smell.
It would interesting to know if this damage also happens in the womb , as a result of the same infection during pregnancy.
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reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 11:16 PM by paperplanes
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It's surprising to find that mental health researchers have, on the whole, tended to imagine mental disease as a primarily brain-centric class of
illness. When the physical body is examined at all (as opposed to pure evaluation of reported symptoms and social response), that effort has been put
toward establishing observable anomalies within the brain itself (through CT, MRI, etc.) as a path toward first validating a suspected illness, and
eventually understanding and treating it. Examining the rest of the body for anomalies has been neglected as a matter of standard. Physical
symptoms among mental health patients have been traditionally brushed aside as psychosomatic--as mere indications of a patient's abnormal mindset, or
simply ignored.
What we are instead finding is that mental disorders do frequently show connections to verifiable physical illnesses, beyond the obvious hormonal
disorders. As we see with the OP, autoimmune disorders in particular show a high probability of connection to schizophrenia, and perhaps other mental
disorders. Celiac disease, Lyme disease and Lupus come immediately to mind as diseases affecting the entire body, with a high frequency of
neurological symptoms such as depression, anxiety, and hallucinations (as seen with schizophrenia, among others). As an interesting example, patients
with Lyme disease are sometimes misdiagnosed with schizophrenia or related disorders before later laboratory tests confirm presence of Lyme. I'm
afraid to imagine how often this is the case with assumed mental disorders and their often physical (e.g. viral, bacterial, genetic) causes.
There is a profound and greatly harmful disconnect between the mental health profession and the rest of the medical community, which stifles
advancement toward evaluating psychological symptoms as indicators of potential physical abnormalities. Rather than assuming that a depressed or
anxious individual is simply in need of Prozac or Effexor, or any other oft-prescribed psychiatric drug (as many mental health professionals do), it
is imperative that the entire body be evaluated.
The two aspects--the brain and the rest of the body--are so deeply and, one would think, obviously connected. Yet the medical community has somehow
failed to focus their attention toward this fact. They've missed the boat for decades, to the detriment of thousands of patients. Perhaps soon we can
begin to focus greater effort toward understanding these disorders and their potential relation to immunity, genes, nerve function, etc. and
eventually establish more effective treatments.
Here is a summary of a related Danish study published a few years ago: Link Between Schizophrenia
and Autoimmune Disease. The results support those found at your source, nixie_nox.
Thanks for creating this thread  .
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reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 11:59 PM by ANNED
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When i worked as a EMT i found a larger then normal number of schizophrenics that were also type 2 diabetics. and a number of them were not
overweight,
Or were these people Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults (LADA)
www.isletsofhope.com...
But there were none that i remember that were type 1 diabetics???????
And many times there blood sugar levels would be high 300 to 400 ml/dl
www.springerlink.com...
www.medindia.net...
bjp.rcpsych.org...
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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 09:55 AM by nixie_nox
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reply to post by paperplanes
I wish I could give you more then a star. Very well said, and great points. Thank you very much.
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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 09:57 AM by nixie_nox
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How did you come to that conclusion? That is interesting. I have a lot of bipolar sufferers in my life, and they seem to have a hyper sensitivities,
though it may be different with sch.....
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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 09:34 PM by UmbraSumus
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
in reply post
How did you come to that conclusion? That is interesting. I have a lot of bipolar sufferers in my life, and they seem to have a hyper sensitivities,
though it may be different with sch.....
The study which identified a link between schizophrenia and problems with olfaction was conducted by Australian psychiatrists,who now believe it may
prove a valuable tool in predicting the onset of the psychiatric disorder.
Warrick Brewer, a psychiatrist from the University of Melbourne in Australia, and colleagues compared the olfactory abilities of a group of 81
high-risk patients against those of 31 volunteers in a control group.
The at-risk group were recruited from a university sponsored clinic that monitors teens who appear to be developing a serious mental illness, yet have
not yet had any psychotic episodes. After 18 months, 22 of the high-risk patients suffered psychotic episodes and 12 were found to be
schizophrenic.
Psychology Today
I believe that the sense of smell is unique in that it is experienced in a more direct manner than the other four senses .
It is first important to understand the physiology of olfaction. The primary olfactory cortex, in which higher-level processing of olfactory
information takes place, forms a direct link with the amygdala and the hippocampus.
Only two synapses separate the olfactory nerve from the amygdala, which is involved in experiencing emotion and also in emotional memory (Herz &
Engen, 1996). In addition, only three synapses separate the olfactory nerve from the hippocampus, which is implicated in memory, especially working
memory and short-term memory.
Olfaction is the sensory modality that is physically closest to the limbic system, of which the hippocampus and amygdala are a part, and which is
responsible for emotions and memory. Indeed this may be why odor-evoked memories are unusually emotionally potent (1996).
source
If people were given the choice of which of the five senses they had to lose , they would probably choose the sense of smell . But it conveys a lot of
information to us , which we are often unaware of, its subconscious influence- pervasive . We as modern
humans are still built( literally) around a more primitive brain . A lot of our mental hardware has been in place before we became conscious (or
experienced greater consciousness) , ...... so much of what we are remains hidden to us .
Quite spooky when you think about it .
So it may very well be, that the olfactory system, plays a greater role in our psychological well-being, than was previously thought .
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reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 12:34 AM by angryjessman
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im sure most schizophrenics are also insomniacs
what im not sure about is that i heard that when you go to sleep the pineal gland activates, and when you wake it turns off, but an insomniac
supposedly increases the chance the pineal gland is turned ON so the dmt from the pineal gland make you hallucinate OR make you see a diff dimension
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