Couple gets prison time for Internet obscenity, page 2

reply to post by trace_the_truth

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If there's no actual 12 year olds, then. well.. Whats the crime? A crime should always have a direct victim.

Originally posted by shortywarn
my girl has all those girly mags laying around,,,, and i was on the toilet and picked one up,,,,,
and,,,, one of the top womens fantasy is a rape fantasy


do not tons of animals do this all day long,,, how many are doing it right now???

and remember it was "simulated" not some poor women on the subway or such


should we arrest movie actors for portraying hitler and the germans in war movies,,, i mean they burned people alive ,,, that's sick


like said earlier,,, a bad precedent this will set and can become a very slippery slope

hmm,

www.psychologytoday.com...

Safety in all ways. Most women who have rape fantasies, only do so when they know that safety is never in question. But, their are women who were sexually abused when growing up, and have sexual problems, who do have rape fantasies. The psychology of this is still being studied.

Harm None
Peace

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by trace_the_truth

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If there's no actual 12 year olds, then. well.. Whats the crime? A crime should always have a direct victim.

Read the law and you'll understand why I called distributing teen porn with actors who look 12 to be a questionable activity.

18 U.S.C. § 2256 defines “Child pornography” as:

“any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where -

* (A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

* (B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

* (C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or

* (D) such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct

reply to post by AshleyD

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I agree, so I gave you a star.

Harm None
Peace

reply to post by trace_the_truth

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* (B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

You have a point on the ambiguity of the child pornography laws. The above paragraph could certainly be interpreted several ways. However I believe that the current interpretation is that an actual minor is involved in the appearance of a sexual act. As opposed to an individual that appears to be a minor involved in a sexual act. The difference is subtle but a difference that has, so far, kept the American Pie type movies from being classified as child porn.

Edit to add:

It seems the couple wasn't even charged under child pornography laws. They were most likely charged under even more vague Statutes that define fines and prison sentences for obscene material. However the statutes themselves do very little to define what is "obscene".

I feel strongly that if we are going to support legislation in the name of protection then it is our job to ensure that such legislation is written unambiguously without room for misinterpretation.

Check out the federal Obscenity statutes here



[edit on 4-7-2009 by harvib]

reply to post by harvib

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I feel strongly that if we are going to support legislation in the name of protection then it is our job to ensure that such legislation is written unambiguously without room for misinterpretation.

Well stated. These laws are outdated and should be taken off the books, but failing that, they need concrete boundaries and guidelines. Leaving the definition of 'obscene' so vague makes these laws subject to abuse such as arbitrary enforcement.

I think this is what happened in this case. According to one of the posters in the first article, the woman responsible for bringing charges against these people is going to run for a higher political position than she is currently in. I think that has a lot more to do with why these charges were filed than what type of porn these people produced.


TA

reply to post by kidney thief

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You clearly let your bias as a woman get in the way of your thinking. Men get exploited, stereotyped, and degraded every day just as much as women do, especially in the entertainment field.

You are jumping to many conclusions and are using a tactic which makes the reader think the previous poster is completely unconcerned with another group. Which is not remotely true since 50% of the people in my life I love more than myself are men. If this thread was purely male focused- I'd 100% be outspoken about their exploitation. If you want to hear my thoughts about male exploitation then ask or send me a link to the appropriate thread. It is very dishonest when someone accuses a poster of not caring about every single aspect of a subject just because they focus on one. If you want to know my opinion on male exploitation- just ask.

However, I do agree with you that men can be exploited in the porn industry. Please don't assume things just because I don't cover all aspects of this specific subject. I cut my comment short instead of saying everything I wanted to, which would have resulted in a novel. Because the people in question were arrested for lewdness depicting female rape, that is obviously what bothered me so much and why I took up for the females. So don't use that tactic and assume I don't care about the men because I do. But they are not the ones being depicted as victims while the viewer gets off on their torment.

But you are right- men get exploited an villainized as careless criminals in simulated porn rape. Sorry about that. I wasn't intentionally forgetting them- I was a victim of a sexual crime so I generally get emotional as a female from the female perspective. It's not bias like you claim. It's called striking a nerve.

You assumed and you assumed wrong.

How are you a Mod again...?

I forgot we're not allowed to have opinions. An opinion you misunderstood and distorted, nonetheless.

And you say you have no strong opinion on whether they should be locked up in prison???

No sorry. I really don't. I'm aware that is a HIGHLY unpopular opinion around these parts but I still will admit to it without being ashamed. Those people were profiting by exploiting others, not caring about the consequences of their actions- just as long as they make a buck. If it was something like 60 years I might be more concerned, but a year (which they won't even serve the full extent of) might let them rethink how they do things and how it affects others.

Like I said, I think they simply should have received a cease and desist order and be required to take down their previous material but I just can't see myself losing any sleep for people who exploit others and glorify a criminal act. I'm sorry, truly, you and the people who starred your post to me have no problem with it.

[edit on 7/4/2009 by AshleyD]

reply to post by AshleyD

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"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." -- Voltaire

Sorry to hear about your unpleasant experience and apologies if this thread dredged up any memories you would rather have forgotten.


Sincerely,


TA

reply to post by AshleyD

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Well I for one agree with you.

Read my above post. It disturbs me to know that this stuff occurs and is getting more extreme.

The thing is... Every porn site has to 'better' the last one with one little step further towards the extreme. What is it going to be like in twenty years time? I dread....

Seriously, the more i look at some parts of accepted norms, the more i can see us getting desensitized to what would have been shocking only ten or twenty years ago. I seriously think it's becoming a very ugly manifestation of the desires of our primal urges and it seems very little is sacred in a decadent society such as our own.

How much humanity do we have left?

The porn industry might be fine in some of the more glamourised circles, such as high flying mainstream types, all this is clean and controlled stuff.... But my arguement about the darker side of porn is a valid point...

Some of the stuff out there is very dark and although there will be people out there who will defend it and argue their cases, nothing excuses the trafficking of humans, the human market and the use of drugs on unwilling 'stars'.

Seriously if some of you people think it's all harmless fun, then you are ignorant.

reply to post by mr-lizard

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There's an episode of Penn and Teller's colorfully titled show you should watch entitled 'The War on Porn.' If I'm not mistaken, it's season 6. It covers most of the concerns you seem to have about porn. Before you start with the blanket insults, especially the label of 'ignorant,' educate yourself on both sides of the subject first.


TA


[edit on 4-7-2009 by TheAssociate]

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