Originally posted by kozmo
Wait just a minute... My cousin who lives in Germany gave birth to her twin girls in Hamburg but there was a birth announcment in both the Cleveland
paper and the Detroit paper to alert family and freinds. Well, at least they'll be US Citizens because it was reported in the newspaper!
As long as your cousin is a US citizen, then yes, the girls will be US citizens. Also, it is highly unorthodox for a newspaper to run a birth in its
"births" section for a baby born in another country, so I'm assuming your cousin requested that those ads be run, and they were probably in the
public section and not the official births section. This is not a common practice at all and to suggest that Obama's parents did this shows how far
some of you are willing to reach in order to confirm your "theory" with yourselves.
I am no fan of Obama, and I would be satisfied if he were no longer president due to a technicality. However, the 'no birth certificate' movement is
a made-up issue, and there is absolutely no evidence to back up the claims that he wasn't born here in the US.
There are a few points that the 'no certificate' crowd likes to make:
- A certificate of live birth can be attained in Hawaii even if you were not born there.
-- While this may or may not be true, it is a moot point as Obama's certificate of live birth states not only the town, but also the county,
island and even the exact time of birth.
- Obama's grandmother has stated that she was in the delivery room, in Kenya, on the date of his birth.
-- This supposed confession was brought up by Philip J. Berg, the attorney who has attempted to sue Obama over this very issue. To this day, he has
failed to release that recording, even though it would essentially prove his case.
Also, in the documentary "Obama's Kenyan Roots", which can be found here
grandmother is reveals that she met her grandson for the first time when he visited Kenya at the age of 26. This directly contradicts the claims made
- Obama has refused to show his original, long-form birth certificate, and has even spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to have his information
-- While it is true that he hasn't released his long-form birth certificate, it is not true that he has spent money to cover it up. This is a
fabrication based on his campaign's payments to their legal team, who, to this day, have not spent a dime of that money in relationship to the birth
certificate issue, because that issue has never been brought up successfully in a court of law.
As to why Obama refuses to release his long form certificate? It may be a private matter, it may be a matter of principle. For either reason, the fact
remains that no other president in the history of the US
has been required to release their original birth certificate. Obama has no reason to
be the first, only to satisfy xenophobic right-wing fringe theorists. He may see it as an issue of race, he may see it as an issue of religion, he may
just see it as an issue of stupidity. In any event, it is not required of him to release that information to the public, just like it hasn't been for
any POTUS prior.
If anyone has any actual evidence
to back up their claims that he wasn't born in Hawaii, here is the place to put it. Don't simply speculate,
don't simply question, don't simply ignore. Go out and do some research. Provide solid evidence that he was born outside the US. You will change my
mind if you do. The goal of ATS is to deny ignorance, after all.