OBAMA isnt a citizen, he shouldnt be Prez, page 1
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Topic started on 3-7-2009 @ 04:33 PM by ShadowLife
Why Obama shouldnt be president. Although he still might be. We will see how things work out.

Here is the video why he cant

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The British Citizen Act of 1948 5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth: Provided that if the father of such a person is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of this section unless— (a) that person is born or his father was born in a protectorate, protected state, mandated territory or trust territory or any place in a foreign country where by treaty, capitulation, grant, usage, sufferance, or other lawful means, His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects; or (b) that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence, or, with the permission of the Secretary of State, later; or (c) that person's father is, at the time of the birth, in Crown service under His Majesty's government in the United Kingdom; or (d) that person is born in any country mentioned in subsection (3) of section one of this Act in which a citizenship law has then taken effect and does not become a citizen thereof on birth.


-Shadow


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 01:02 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Unit541


I meant Indonesia. You knew what I meant. You know exactly what I meant. Don't screw my wording like that... he was born in the USA... he is qualified to be President... stop hating on him just you don't want him to be President. Give him a break. Try more productive ways to get people to wake up... this isn't really helping any of us.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 01:42 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by RRconservative


That's just speculation. Don't believe everything you read. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, then, at age 2 he went to Kenya, or, to some other place on a trip. His father came from Kenya. Barack Obama however was born in Kenya. There is no proof of this conspiracy theory. It's just speculation. Let's move on to the serious issues okay?

[edit on 4-7-2009 by Frankidealist35]


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 01:53 PM by kozmo
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by RRconservative


That's just speculation. Don't believe everything you read. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, then, at age 2 he went to Kenya, or, to some other place on a trip. His father came from Kenya. Barack Obama however was born in Kenya. There is no proof of this conspiracy theory. It's just speculation. Let's move on to the serious issues okay?

[edit on 4-7-2009 by Frankidealist35]


?????? What!?!? First he was born in Hawaii, then he was born in Kenya. You state not to believe everything you read, yet you are apprently believing everything you read. You should simply admit that you have no idea what you're talking about. This is one of the most serious issues facing our Republic.

Look, you obviously adore the man - to the point where you are willing to accpet a usurper in office and suspend the Constitution because it supports your political point of view. That is sad.

Brack Obama's own grandmother has stated that he was born in Kenya and that she was present for the birth. He has failed to rrelease his Birth Certificate. He has failed to release his Occidental College records - mostly because they would show that he was attending school as a foreign national on a student visa. He has retained a team of attorneys and paid millions of dollars to keep his records sealed. Are these the behaviors of an innocent man with nothing to hide - from a President who has sworn to have the most transparent administration in history? It's not adding up and neither are your posts.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 01:59 PM by Frankidealist35
Originally posted by kozmo
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by RRconservative


?????? What!?!? First he was born in Hawaii, then he was born in Kenya. You state not to believe everything you read, yet you are apprently believing everything you read. You should simply admit that you have no idea what you're talking about. This is one of the most serious issues facing our Republic.

I don't adore him. I do have an understanding of what this conspiracy theory is about and I think it's just propagated by people who still feel there's a way to get rid of Barack Obama prematurely. It's not really a good way of waking up the populace.


Look, you obviously adore the man - to the point where you are willing to accpet a usurper in office and suspend the Constitution because it supports your political point of view. That is sad.

I do not. There is no proof that he wasn't from Hawaii. Until there is actual proof- I will change my mind- but there is no proof that he wasn't born in Hawaii.


Brack Obama's own grandmother has stated that he was born in Kenya and that she was present for the birth. He has failed to rrelease his Birth Certificate. He has failed to release his Occidental College records - mostly because they would show that he was attending school as a foreign national on a student visa. He has retained a team of attorneys and paid millions of dollars to keep his records sealed. Are these the behaviors of an innocent man with nothing to hide - from a President who has sworn to have the most transparent administration in history? It's not adding up and neither are your posts.

Barack Obama hasn't failed to release his birth certificate. He released a copy of it during the campaign if you weren't paying attention. And if Barack Obama's own grandmother stated that he was born in Kenya wouldn't John McCain's whole legal staff go up against him for that? Why wouldn't John McCain want to win the election and call him out on that? Also, have you ever been asked to release your birth certificate? I would think that with a lot of people after your birth certificate you would want to seal it because of fear that it would get stolen. There are rational explanations for all of this.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by Frankidealist35]

[edit on 4-7-2009 by Frankidealist35]


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 02:04 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Unit541


I do practice what I preach. I'm not an Obama lover, or, an Obama bot. This just to me quite frankly is one of least likeable conspiracy theories in my mind and is one of the reasons we're so disliked by many. It's because rather than focus on what people are doing now- we just focus on the past- and people just want to look for any way they can to get this guy out of office- but- I feel we just need to wake people up- and this isn't the way to do it.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 02:08 PM by skeptic1
reply to post by JulieMills


Of course not. That's kind of the point (man, we need more sarcastic emoticons around here......).

But, the bigger point is that this is an issue that can only be solved by one thing and that is the one thing we will never see and no one will ever gain access to: the vault copy birth certificate. From the lack of investigative reporting and the obvious disinterest of the court system in this country, that piece of paper will never see the light of day.

The "journalists" could have done a helluva lot more in the year or so leading up to Obama getting the nomination, but they were so in the bag for Hillary, then Obama, that neither could do any wrong. They've been head over heels for the man for closing in on two years now, and the opportunity they had to do their jobs is over. The vault copy BC is sealed and he's at least until January of 2013.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 02:17 PM by Unit541
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I don't adore him. I do have an understanding of what this conspiracy theory is about and I think it's just propagated by people who still feel there's a way to get rid of Barack Obama prematurely. It's not really a good way of waking up the populace.

There are those that want him out of office. Maybe it's because he hasn't proven his eligibility, or maybe it's that that he has proven his incompetence. Either way, it's NOT because they would rather have McCain.


I do not. There is no proof that he wasn't from Hawaii. Until there is actual proof- I will change my mind- but there is no proof that he wasn't born in Hawaii.

It's not about proving that he wasn't born in Hawaii. It's about the fact that he hasn't proven that he was.



Barack Obama hasn't failed to release his birth certificate. He released a copy of it during the campaign if you weren't paying attention. And if Barack Obama's own grandmother stated that he was born in Kenya wouldn't John McCain's whole legal staff go up against him for that? Why wouldn't John McCain want to win the election and call him out on that? Also, have you ever been asked to release your birth certificate? I would think that with a lot of people after your birth certificate you would want to seal it because of fear that it would get stolen. There are rational explanations for all of this.

Really? I mean, is this for real? He has never released his birth certificate, nor has he released a copy of it. He produced little more than a "doctors note". It was not original, nor was it official. It does not satisfy the requirement of proof of natural born citizenship.

And exactly what is someone going to do with it, if they were to "steal" Barack Obama's birth certificate? Are you for real? Your blatant blind acceptance of what you are told by the talking heads on your brainwash box is in direct competition with your perceived patriotism. Whether you think he's eligible or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that there is, no matter how slight, still a question as to whether or not he actually is eligible according to the constitution. Your duty as an American is to question until he has satisfied all requirements, beyond the shadow of a doubt. You haven't done that though, and because you were told he was born in Hawaii (or India, or Indonesia, or wherever you think he's from), and produced pseudo-evidence in the form of a glorified "doctors note", you're satisfied. I however, and many others, what to be a little more sure about the man we've selected to lead us in these dark times.

Have you asked yourself why, if it's such a simple thing to do in order to end the questions on this topic, he hasn't simply produced his real, original birth certificate? It sure seems like a simple solution to satisfy all of us tin-foil lunatics.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 02:34 PM by kozmo
reply to post by Frankidealist35


So, do tell... I've heard the saying but have always wondered what it was like - drinking the Koolaid from a firehose that is.

He has never released a Birth Certificate - he released a Certificate of Live Birth - and a terrible forgery at that! His father's race was listed as "African" while every other COLB from that same time lists blacks as "Negro". The term "African-American" to describe race was not introduced until almost 30 years later!!!

Did you know that an Iranian citizen, having no citizenship in the US, can obtain a COLB under Hawaiin law? Ergo, the display of a COLB proves nothing.

You asking US to prove a negative is preposterous as the onus is on HIM to prove that he meets the Constitutional requirements to hold the office of POTUS. Were you also aware that that same document assures U.S. Citizens that government will provide for the redress of grievances, such as this? Yet, he has done nothing. He must share the same philosophy as Donkey-boy before him and believe that it's simply a "G*****ned piece of paper".

How do you add it up when the President who swore to have the most transparent administration in the history of the U.S. has hired and army of attorneys to suppress his records and spent millions of dollars to achieve that result!? I mean, he won't even release his Occidental College records - although I suspect that is because doing so would prove beyond any doubt that he was a foreign national attending college on a student Visa.

Having a usurper in office is the highest form of treason ever and must be fully investigated.
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