We see things such as high red shift objects visibly connected to low red shift objects (impossible if red shift is an indicator of distance). We see
quantized red shift, which means the quasars and galaxies around us formed in concentric shells with the earth being the center of the universe
(obviously impossible). We also see a lot of evidence refuting things such as gravitational lenses or other supposed phenomena associated with warping
space and expanding space. Also, we see quasars grouped around host galaxies in highly improbable configurations. Quasar luminosity and power DOES
match the host galaxies they reside around if one ignores red shift as an indicator of distance, further disproving red shift as an indicator of
distance.
ALL MODERN COSMOLOGY IS PREDICATED ON THE THEORY OF EXPANDING SPACE AND DOPPLER RED SHIFTS.
If red shift is not an indicator of distance, which I believe has been conclusively demonstrated that it is not by observational evidence, then we can
reject the big bang as science and move on to looking at the universe as being steady in state. That is to say, the universe is infinite in size, it
is ageless, it is timeless, and no big bang ever occurred. We are simply not privileged to know what caused the universe to exist or when it came
into existence, it simply does. We must assume it is infinite in age as it is infinite in size.
Evidence to follow:
The Big Bang Never Happened, page 1
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Topic started on 3-7-2009 @ 04:30 PM by mnemeth1
In this post I will focus on presenting overwhelming evidence against the theory of the Hubble law.
Many prominent scientists rejected the idea of the big bang when it was first proposed by Georges Lemaître, a catholic priest, in 1927. Notably, these scientists included Einstein himself. Lemaitre's intent with his theory was to find a way to tie science and theology together for the betterment of man. The defining piece of evidence that finally led scientists such as Einstein to change their minds and accept Lemaitre's proposed theory of a big bang was an astronomical finding by a man named Edwin Hubble.
Hubble made what amounted to the finding of the century. When looking at the spectrum of light coming from distant galaxies, Hubble found that absorption lines in the spectrum of galaxies were red shifted in accordance with their luminosity. When you take a piece of light and break it down into its spectrum with a prism, you will see faint dark lines in the spectrum. These lines are called absorption lines, because elements in the light absorb certain frequencies of light blocking them from view.
An example of red shifting absorption lines:
What Hubble found was that if you plotted the location of these dark lines in the spectrum of light coming from galaxies, the further to the red end of the spectrum the lines fell, the dimmer the galaxy was observed to be. This red shifting of light lead Hubble to conclude that red shift was a function of distance. This function of distance could be explained by something called the Doppler effect which postulates the faster something is moving away from us the more red shifted its light will be. This idea matched nicely with Lemaitre's idea of expanding space and the Big Bang.
A plot of galaxies red shift compared to their luminosity:
Enter Quasars
At the time Hubble made his findings, quasars were not known to exist. Quasars, or quasi-stellar objects, are dim point like objects we see in space that have HUGE red shifts. According to standard theory, this means they must be on the edge of the observable universe and output extraordinary amounts of energy for them to be visible. Why are quasars so important? Because their red shift does NOT correlate to their observed luminosity (brightness). In fact, Fred Hoyle (famous astronomer) commented that had Hubble first seen the plots for quasars instead of galaxies, he never would have concluded that red shift was a function of velocity (distance).
A plot of quasars red shift compared to their luminosity:
The finding of quasars caused a stir among cosmologists. They weren't quite sure what to make of these objects, but they had already done so much work involving Hilbert's black holes and Lemaitre's ideas of expanding space that rather than scrapping the big bang, they formulated hypothetical theories of ultra-massive black holes spewing out more energy than millions of Milky Way galaxies combined. They had simply put too much effort in to the assumption of expanding space to give it up.
There is actually a tremendous body of work out there observationally falsifying red shift as a function of distance if one chooses to look for it, however these findings are simply dismissed and ignored by mainstream cosmologists.
Red Shift != Distance
More to follow.
Many prominent scientists rejected the idea of the big bang when it was first proposed by Georges Lemaître, a catholic priest, in 1927. Notably, these scientists included Einstein himself. Lemaitre's intent with his theory was to find a way to tie science and theology together for the betterment of man. The defining piece of evidence that finally led scientists such as Einstein to change their minds and accept Lemaitre's proposed theory of a big bang was an astronomical finding by a man named Edwin Hubble.
Hubble made what amounted to the finding of the century. When looking at the spectrum of light coming from distant galaxies, Hubble found that absorption lines in the spectrum of galaxies were red shifted in accordance with their luminosity. When you take a piece of light and break it down into its spectrum with a prism, you will see faint dark lines in the spectrum. These lines are called absorption lines, because elements in the light absorb certain frequencies of light blocking them from view.
An example of red shifting absorption lines:
What Hubble found was that if you plotted the location of these dark lines in the spectrum of light coming from galaxies, the further to the red end of the spectrum the lines fell, the dimmer the galaxy was observed to be. This red shifting of light lead Hubble to conclude that red shift was a function of distance. This function of distance could be explained by something called the Doppler effect which postulates the faster something is moving away from us the more red shifted its light will be. This idea matched nicely with Lemaitre's idea of expanding space and the Big Bang.
A plot of galaxies red shift compared to their luminosity:
Enter Quasars
At the time Hubble made his findings, quasars were not known to exist. Quasars, or quasi-stellar objects, are dim point like objects we see in space that have HUGE red shifts. According to standard theory, this means they must be on the edge of the observable universe and output extraordinary amounts of energy for them to be visible. Why are quasars so important? Because their red shift does NOT correlate to their observed luminosity (brightness). In fact, Fred Hoyle (famous astronomer) commented that had Hubble first seen the plots for quasars instead of galaxies, he never would have concluded that red shift was a function of velocity (distance).
A plot of quasars red shift compared to their luminosity:
The finding of quasars caused a stir among cosmologists. They weren't quite sure what to make of these objects, but they had already done so much work involving Hilbert's black holes and Lemaitre's ideas of expanding space that rather than scrapping the big bang, they formulated hypothetical theories of ultra-massive black holes spewing out more energy than millions of Milky Way galaxies combined. They had simply put too much effort in to the assumption of expanding space to give it up.
There is actually a tremendous body of work out there observationally falsifying red shift as a function of distance if one chooses to look for it, however these findings are simply dismissed and ignored by mainstream cosmologists.
Red Shift != Distance
More to follow.
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 04:33 PM by mnemeth1
Papers showing quantized red shift:
arxiv.org...
adsabs.harvard.edu...
www.springerlink.com...
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arxiv.org...
Fourier spectral analysis has been carried out on the quasar number count as a function of redshift calculated from the quasar data of the Sloan Digital Sky Survey DR6 data release. The results indicate that quasars have preferred periodic redshifts with redshift intervals of 0.258, 0.312, 0.44, 0.63, and 1.1. Within their standard errors these intervals are integer multiples 4, 5, 7, 10 and 20 of 0.062. Could this be indicative of an intrinsic redshift for quasars as has been suggested by some?
adsabs.harvard.edu...
The redshift distribution of all 46,400 quasars in the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS) Quasar Catalog, Third Data Release (DR3), is examined. Six peaks that fall within the redshift window below z=4 are visible. Their positions agree with the preferred redshift values predicted by the decreasing intrinsic redshift (DIR) model.
www.springerlink.com...
Evidence is presented for redshift quantization and variability as detected in global studies done in the rest frame of the cosmic background radiation. Quantization is strong and consistent with predictions derived from concepts associated with multidimensional time. Nine families of periods are possible but not equally likely. The most basic family contains previously known periods of 73 and 36 km s–1 and shorter harmonics at 18.3 and 9.15 km s–1.
adsabs.harvard.edu...
Using new data for unassociated galaxies with wide H I profiles and values of period and solar motion predicted by Tifft and Cocke (1984), a periodicity has been found which is significant at the conventional 5 percent level. Together with Tifft's work on galaxy pairs and small groups, this result appears to provide evidence in favor of the hypothesis that measured galaxy redshifts occur in steps of a little more than 72 km/s or a simple multiple of this period.
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Power spectrum analyses of the corrected redshifts are used to search for a significant periodicity in the prescribed range 70-75 km/s. No such periodicity is found for the dwarf irregulars, but there is a possible periodicity of about 71.1 km/s for the bright spirals. In a further exploratory study, the sample of 112 spirals is divided up according to environment. The spirals in high-density regions of the cluster show no quantization, whereas those in low-density regions appear to be partially quantized in intervals of about 71.0 km/s.
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The present study investigates the notion that extragalactic redshifts are periodic in ranges around 24.2, 36.3, or 72.5 km/s for an independent sample of 89 nearby spirals, in the general field, with accurately determined heliocentric redshifts. A strong periodicity of about 37.2 km/s is found, against a white noise background, for an assumed solar vector coincidental, within the uncertainties, with that corresponding to the sun's probable motion around the Galactic Center. Comparison with sets of synthetic data simulating the overall characteristics of the real data show the periodicity to be present at a high confidence level.
[edit on 4-7-2009 by mnemeth1]
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 04:36 PM by mnemeth1
adsabs.harvard.edu...
www.springerlink.com...
adsabs.harvard.edu...
www.springerlink.com...
arxiv.org...
Halton Arp, Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies
[edit on 4-7-2009 by mnemeth1]
Published observational data on galaxies of redshift z less than about 1000 km/s are compiled in extensive tables and diagrams and analyzed, searching for additional Local Group members among fainter higher-redshift galaxies. A concentration toward the center of the Local Group and a concentration associated with NGC 55, NGC 300, and NGC 253 are identified in the south Galactic hemisphere and characterized in detail. The galaxies near the centers of the concentrations are found to obey a quantization interval of Delta-cz0 = 72.4 km/s, as for the Local Group (Tifft, 1977); the accuracy of this finding is shown to be to within + or - 8.2 km/s (for galaxies with redshifts known to + or - 8 km/s) and to within 3-4 km/s (for a subset of galaxies with more accurately measured redshifts).
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Samples of 97 and 117 high-precision 21 cm redshifts of spiral galaxies within the Local Supercluster were obtained in order to test claims that extragalactic redshifts are periodic (P36 km s–1) when referred to the centre of the Galaxy. The power spectral density of the redshifts, when so referred, exhibits an extremely strong peak at 37.5 km s–1. The signal is seen independently with seven major radio telescopes. Its significance was assessed by comparison with the spectral power distributions of synthetic datasets constructed so as to closely mimic the overall properties of the real datasets employed; it was found to be real rather than due to chance at an extremely high confidence level.
adsabs.harvard.edu...
Persistent claims have been made over the last ~15yr that extragalactic redshifts, when corrected for the Sun's motion around the Galactic centre, occur in multiples of ~24 or ~36km/s. A recent investigation by us of 40 spiral galaxies out to 1000km/s, with accurately measured redshifts, gave evidence of a periodicity ~37.2-37.7km/s. Here we extend our enquiry out to the edge of the Local Supercluster (~2600km/s), applying a simple and robust procedure to a total of 97 accurately determined redshifts. We find that, when corrected for related vectors close to recent estimates of the Sun's galactocentric motion, the redshifts of spirals are strongly periodic (P~37.6km/s). The formal confidence level of the result is extremely high, and the signal is seen independently with different radio telescopes. We also examine a further sample of 117 spirals observed with the 300-foot Green Bank telescope alone. The periodicity phenomenon appears strongest for the galaxies linked by group membership, but phase coherence probably holds over large regions of the Local Supercluster.
www.springerlink.com...
A project intended to examine the long-standing claims that extragalactic redshifts are periodic or quantized was initiated some years ago at the Royal Observatory, Edinburgh. The approach taken is outlined, and the main conclusions to date are summarized. The existence of a galactocentric redshift quantization is confirmed at a high confidence level.
arxiv.org...
It is pointed out that the discrete velocities found by Tifft in galaxies are harmonically related to the discrete intrinsic redshifts found in quasars. All are harmonically related to the constant 0.062±0.001, and this is the fourth independent analysis in which the redshift increment 0.062 has been shown to be significant. It is concluded that there is a quantized component in the redshift of both quasars and galaxies that has a common origin and is unlikely to be Doppler-related.
Halton Arp, Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies
[edit on 4-7-2009 by mnemeth1]
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 04:39 PM by mnemeth1
High and low redshift objects connected to each other:
NGC 7319:
The Discovery of a High-Redshift X-Ray-Emitting QSO Very Close to the Nucleus of NGC 7319
Pasquale Galianni et al 2005 ApJ 620 88-94 doi: 10.1086/426886
www.iop.org...
NGC 7603:
Two emission line objects with z>0.2 in the optical filament apparently connecting the Seyfert galaxy NGC 7603 to its companion
M. Lopez-Corredoira, Carlos M. Gutierrez Astron.Astrophys. 390 (2002) L15
arxiv.org...
NGC 4319:
Evidence for Activity in the Spiral Galaxy NGC4319
Sulentic, J. W. Observational Evidence of Activity in Galaxies: Proceedings of the 121st Symposium of the International Astronomical Union, held in Byurakan, Armenia, U.S.S.R., June 3-7, 1986.
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...
The galaxy-quasar connection - NGC 4319 and Markarian 205. I - Direct imagery. II - Spectroscopy
Sulentic, J. W. & Arp, H. C. Astrophysical Journal, Part 1 (ISSN 0004-637X), vol. 319, Aug. 15, 1987, p. 687-708.
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...
[edit on 4-7-2009 by mnemeth1]
NGC 7319:
The Discovery of a High-Redshift X-Ray-Emitting QSO Very Close to the Nucleus of NGC 7319
Pasquale Galianni et al 2005 ApJ 620 88-94 doi: 10.1086/426886
www.iop.org...
A strong X-ray source only 8'' from the nucleus of the Seyfert 2 galaxy NGC 7319 in Stephan's Quintet has been discovered by Chandra. We have identified the optical counterpart and show that it is a QSO with ze = 2.114. It is also an ultraluminous X-ray source with LX = 1.5 × 1040 ergs s-1. From the optical spectra of the QSO and the interstellar gas of NGC 7319 together, we show that it is very likely that the QSO is interacting with the interstellar gas.
NGC 7603:
Two emission line objects with z>0.2 in the optical filament apparently connecting the Seyfert galaxy NGC 7603 to its companion
M. Lopez-Corredoira, Carlos M. Gutierrez Astron.Astrophys. 390 (2002) L15
arxiv.org...
We present new spectroscopic observations of an old case of anomalous redshift--NGC 7603 and its companion. The redshifts of the two galaxies which are apparently connected by a luminous filament are z=0.029 and z=0.057 respectively. We show that in the luminous filament there are two compact emission line objects with z=0.243 and z=0.391. They lie exactly on the line traced by the filament connecting the galaxies. As far as we are aware, this is the most impressive case of a system of anomalous redshifts discovered so far.
NGC 4319:
Evidence for Activity in the Spiral Galaxy NGC4319
Sulentic, J. W. Observational Evidence of Activity in Galaxies: Proceedings of the 121st Symposium of the International Astronomical Union, held in Byurakan, Armenia, U.S.S.R., June 3-7, 1986.
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...
Radio and optical evidence for activity in the spiral galaxy NGC 4319 is presented. NGC 4319 appears to be one of the first spirals to exhibit double lobe radio structure outside of the nuclear regions. The optical data show that (1) the quasar M205 is connected to the nucleus of NGC 4319 and (2) that a similarly connected region on the opposite side of the nucleus is expanding towards us with V ≡ 103km s-1. It is suggested that the unusual Hα/[N II] λ6583 ratio (≤0.3) indicates that the entire central (7 kpc diameter) disk of NGC 4319 has been shock excited by this activity.
The galaxy-quasar connection - NGC 4319 and Markarian 205. I - Direct imagery. II - Spectroscopy
Sulentic, J. W. & Arp, H. C. Astrophysical Journal, Part 1 (ISSN 0004-637X), vol. 319, Aug. 15, 1987, p. 687-708.
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...
New direct-imaging data are presented for the disturbed spiral galaxy NGC 4319 (z = 0.005) and the apparently connected quasar-like object Markarian 205 (z = 0.072). Image processing of this CCD data reveals (1) an almost continuous luminous connection extending from Mrk 205 into the nucleus of the spiral galaxy; (2) a corresponding feature on the opposite side of the disk, appearing to link a bright UV knot with the nucleus; and (3) extensive morphological peculiarities in NGC 4319 that are consistent with hypothesized explosive nuclear activity. These data support the conclusion that NGC 4319 is an active spiral galaxy that recently ejected Mrk 205 from its nucleus.
[edit on 4-7-2009 by mnemeth1]
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 05:36 PM by mythos
reply to post by tribewilder
not sure "infinity" is a concept to 'grasp' or intellectualize (other then in the abstract).
however, 'experiencing' it may be the way to perceive it.
is that not what monks, mystics, artists and lovers all seek? a direct experience with the eternal?
but then, once experienced, how does one communicate such a profound thing?
ones and zeros? cause and effect? measurable statistics? science, of course, should have a say in these matters... but not the final say.
the infinite is far to broad a notion for deductive reasoning alone.
anyhow, pardon the existential rant.
PS... i believe the big-bang was a big-exhale. then we'll have a big-inhale, and so forth. the Vedics understood this and framed this knowledge in the poetry of gods and ages.
we vaguely understand this, and frame it in the language of rationality.
whose to say who is right? it is the infinite. how could anyone deduce it?
not sure "infinity" is a concept to 'grasp' or intellectualize (other then in the abstract).
however, 'experiencing' it may be the way to perceive it.
is that not what monks, mystics, artists and lovers all seek? a direct experience with the eternal?
but then, once experienced, how does one communicate such a profound thing?
ones and zeros? cause and effect? measurable statistics? science, of course, should have a say in these matters... but not the final say.
the infinite is far to broad a notion for deductive reasoning alone.
anyhow, pardon the existential rant.
PS... i believe the big-bang was a big-exhale. then we'll have a big-inhale, and so forth. the Vedics understood this and framed this knowledge in the poetry of gods and ages.
we vaguely understand this, and frame it in the language of rationality.
whose to say who is right? it is the infinite. how could anyone deduce it?
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 06:09 PM by jkrog08
reply to post by mnemeth1
Excellent work and research! While I do not believe in Steady State you certainly have made a well presented case. I will read through this more and make a better response then.
Excellent work and research! While I do not believe in Steady State you certainly have made a well presented case. I will read through this more and make a better response then.
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 10:03 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by KarlG
Um, I honestly mean no offense but I think you are tying in subjects that the OP didn't even hint at covering and straying into the realm of ad hom. And even so, if that had been his aim, how would that effect the validity of his or her information? It is possible for atheist or a theist to not believe in a Big Bang after all.
Um, I honestly mean no offense but I think you are tying in subjects that the OP didn't even hint at covering and straying into the realm of ad hom. And even so, if that had been his aim, how would that effect the validity of his or her information? It is possible for atheist or a theist to not believe in a Big Bang after all.
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 10:14 PM by Ferris.Bueller.II
Very interesting. Does your theory of an infinite age and size universe also have an explanation for the chemical composition of the universe?
The Age of the Chemical Elements
Age of the Universe
The Age of the Chemical Elements
Age of the Universe
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 10:28 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II
I am not the OP but I just figured I'd chime in, but it seems to me that both of your assertions *the articles* are assumptions based off assumptions. I respectfully have a few questions: 1)If a White Dwarf's fate is to eventually "go out" how could that be a very valid indicator of the age of the universe? Even the oldest White Dwarfs. 2) Are not chemicals being converted/created even now in the heart of the stars? If that is true then how can you use chemicals to deduce an age for the universe?
I am not the OP but I just figured I'd chime in, but it seems to me that both of your assertions *the articles* are assumptions based off assumptions. I respectfully have a few questions: 1)If a White Dwarf's fate is to eventually "go out" how could that be a very valid indicator of the age of the universe? Even the oldest White Dwarfs. 2) Are not chemicals being converted/created even now in the heart of the stars? If that is true then how can you use chemicals to deduce an age for the universe?
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 10:37 PM by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Stars use fusion, which turns lighter elements into heavier elements. So if the universe is an infinite age, where are the lighter elements coming from and where are the heavier elements going?
Radioactive isotopes decay at a certain pace, and reach half life at precise periods. Why are the oldest seen radioactive isotopes only 10-20 billion years old? Shouldn't we be seeing lot older ones if the universe is an infinite age?
[edit on 7/3/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]
Stars use fusion, which turns lighter elements into heavier elements. So if the universe is an infinite age, where are the lighter elements coming from and where are the heavier elements going?
Radioactive isotopes decay at a certain pace, and reach half life at precise periods. Why are the oldest seen radioactive isotopes only 10-20 billion years old? Shouldn't we be seeing lot older ones if the universe is an infinite age?
[edit on 7/3/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 10:56 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II
Keyword here is, seen. And even then sometimes the methods can be questioned as simply more assumptions based off assumptions.
[edit on 3-7-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]
Keyword here is, seen. And even then sometimes the methods can be questioned as simply more assumptions based off assumptions.
[edit on 3-7-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]
reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 10:59 PM by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
And the basis of his theory is based only on seen evidence also. In fact all we know of the universe is based off seen evidence. Did the OP ask you to field questions for him?
[edit on 7/3/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]
And the basis of his theory is based only on seen evidence also. In fact all we know of the universe is based off seen evidence. Did the OP ask you to field questions for him?
[edit on 7/3/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]
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