North Korea may be about to carry out another nuclear test, the British ambassador in Pyongyang has

North Korea carried out a nuclear test in May - a move that experts said put it closer to having a working nuclear bomb.

"We cannot rule out that a further nuclear test will take place," said Peter Hughes, the British ambassador to North Korea.

"Yesterday, two short-range missiles were launched and you'll have seen reports that there may be a launch of an ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) in the coming days or weeks," he said.
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ITN news

(there a short video also)

He really is desperate to try to do anything to start a war, imo.

If the short range missiles don't do it, shot long range rocket's.

If long range rockets don't do it, blow up another nuclear weapon.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


Just my uneducated opinion here, but I think he hopes we will be sufficiently concerned about this and shoot it down. Going on his earlier comments about interfering, that gives him reason to start a war and call us the aggressor.

I have long said the following about Kim-Jong-ill

1. The whole nuclear issue mostly results from not giving our Western aid on North Korea's own terms.
Logic deduces these are...
1. America should turn a blind eye towards N.K's active nuclear programme
2. And America should give N.K aid, without monitors-checks to ensure it goes to anyone (except the regime!).
3. In exchange for N.K not causing trouble through things like conducting it's nuclear missile tests. Or exporting nuclear weapons.

Although American diplomacy has reputation for weak & dysfunctional, it appears for once we won't bend over backwards to keep N.K quite as much as North Korea thinks we will if it carries out more and more outrageous things.

Why North Korea's Confidence...
Kim-Jong-ill (a fan of James Bond movies) knows that now he has the bomb, he has the ability to export the bomb. In his tyrannical mind, he thinks the West will bend over backwards to avoid the deaths & trouble caused by further nuclear proliferation.
This just shows what a poor understanding of the West North Korean advisors must have (maybe not surprising though, given their birth to death exposure to their own state propaganda machine).
Because in actual fact U.S politics will thrive in the event of any nuclear weapons detonations. It will benefit firstly through "herd psychology" (i.e. people rallying around their leaders, like in terrorism, and we will benefit through extra funds for defence equipment.

But of course we don't want Iran to get the packaged bomb (this is to protect our holly sand known as Israel). Therefore the West threatened to search N.K ships it suspected of carrying nuclear weapons.
Seeing how this could scupper their nuclear blackmail, N.K promptly issued a statement saying how this would be seen as a act of war.

N.K's problem is that both sides know there won't really be a real war launched by N.K because if there is, our economy will still benefit (either in the medium term) and most certainly in the long term (Given all the prime real estate N.K sits on).

Sadly although North Korea's strategy is flawed; it doesn't mean their generals & “dementia” dictator see things that way! Personally if I was in North Korea I would really hate to disagree (unless of course I wanted an early grave).

[edit on 090705 by Liberal1984]

Originally posted by liveandlearn
reply to post by mrmonsoon

 

Just my uneducated opinion here, but I think he hopes we will be sufficiently concerned about this and shoot it down. Going on his earlier comments about interfering, that gives him reason to start a war and call us the aggressor.

Give me a break, he doesn't want a war - nobody is crazy enough to think they can defeat the US military with 30-40 year old technology.
He has no need to portray us as the aggressors, he has his people so brainwashed they think he is a god, North Korea is the greatest nation in the world incapable of losing, and America is run by Satan.

Popular support of NK citizens is not his problem, being unbelievably outgunned, the country being hopelessly broke, and lack of any international support are his problems.

This is all about him getting a payoff, just wait it won't be long now till he says just pay N Korea 100 billion or some such amount and they will scrap their nuclear program - which of course will be a lie.

Originally posted by Liberal1984

1. America should turn a blind eye towards N.K's active nuclear programme
2. And America should give N.K aid, without monitors-checks to ensure it goes to anyone (except the regime!).
3. In exchange for N.K not causing trouble through things like conducting it's nuclear missile tests. Or exporting nuclear weapons

A pay off in other words..usualy you pay off people that either A..Threaten you or B. Can bend you over..

The mistake we made was to do this at the start..Now the terms just get more outrageous,and further outrageous..Enough is enough..

I wonder when they will quit pondering the capability.

They are testing TRIGGERS for hydrogen bombs. Much different scenario and explains the smaller yields.

Hey they just fired off 2 Scuds.

source

They don't know when to stop..

[edit on 7/3/2009 by tribewilder]

reply to post by proximo


There are few people who would disagree that this man is maniacal.

We do not know what he would or would not do but he is definitely trying to provoke something. You suggest it is monetary and I have no way of knowing that it isn't. However he has said numerous times that he will not junk the nuclear program and stated that shooting down one of his 'test' missiles would call for retaliation.

No one is going to give him money which would only finance more nuclear missiles.

We have no idea what his advisers, if he has any, may be telling him and their may be factions within his regime that are hoping he will be eliminated even if by way of war.

The fact is...we don't know anything. We can only guess and speculate.

At least it is a nice way to learn to think out of the box, don't you think?

Originally posted by liveandlearn
reply to post by proximo

 

There are few people who would disagree that this man is maniacal.

We do not know what he would or would not do but he is definitely trying to provoke something. You suggest it is monetary and I have no way of knowing that it isn't. However he has said numerous times that he will not junk the nuclear program and stated that shooting down one of his 'test' missiles would call for retaliation.

No one is going to give him money which would only finance more nuclear missiles.

We have no idea what his advisers, if he has any, may be telling him and their may be factions within his regime that are hoping he will be eliminated even if by way of war.

The fact is...we don't know anything. We can only guess and speculate.

At least it is a nice way to learn to think out of the box, don't you think?

We have already given him money to supposedly junk his nuclear program a few years ago, but I hope you are right I hope we don't give him any this time.

They are desperate for money though, they have no economy and I actually believe he may of thought they might be able to sell their nuke tech. Since we are watching them like a hawk though I think he now knows that isn't going to work, so he is working on plan B, extortion. He actually has little to lose, he knows we won't attack him unless really, really provoked. An attack would cost far too many lives as the second we attack, South Korea would be pummeled by rockets and mortars and we would have to face off with his rather large number of troops, and try and clean up the utter disaster that would be the aftermath. It is just not worth it, as long as we keep close tabs on them North Korea is completely contained.

Look he would have to be a complete schizophrenic (like unable to form coherent sentences) to think launching any kind of large conventional first strike attack, or nuke attack would lead to anything other than his immediate death, and his regimes complete loss of power. I refuse to believe anybody that would be that mentally ill would be allowed to still have control over whether or not an attack is carried out. Even if he is bats**t crazy, or wants to commit suicide the people around him would not follow those orders because they also would be committing certain suicide.

We have already given him money to supposedly junk his nuclear program a few years ago, but I hope you are right I hope we don't give him any this time.

Thank you. I didn't know that but then my interest is recent.

They are desperate for money though, they have no economy and I actually believe he may of thought they might be able to sell their nuke tech. Since we are watching them like a hawk though I think he now knows that isn't going to work, so he is working on plan B, extortion. He actually has little to lose, he knows we won't attack him unless really, really provoked. An attack would cost far too many lives as the second we attack, South Korea would be pummeled by rockets and mortars and we would have to face off with his rather large number of troops, and try and clean up the utter disaster that would be the aftermath. It is just not worth it, as long as we keep close tabs on them North Korea is completely contained.

I can only hope you are right. My granddaughter's boyfriend is on the US Ronald Reagan which was recently deployed to the 7th fleet area (includes NK) and 5th fleet area (includes much of middle east) and their escort ship was recently reassigned to Hawaii.

It makes sense as you say it and you speak as I have always thought. Still there is much posturing and I believe we are taking these threats serious, or at least we are making a show of it. Who knows with us. In some ways, NK is more predictable.

Look he would have to be a complete schizophrenic (like unable to form coherent sentences) to think launching any kind of large conventional first strike attack, or nuke attack would lead to anything other than his immediate death, and his regimes complete loss of power. I refuse to believe anybody that would be that mentally ill would be allowed to still have control over whether or not an attack is carried out. Even if he is bats**t crazy, or wants to commit suicide the people around him would not follow those orders because they also would be committing certain suicide.

Why wouldn't they follow orders if they are completely brain washed and have nothing else to compare. It is them against the world. That can bring a lot of unity. Then there may be some who want to bring him down.

The fact remains, we just do not know his agenda. Many would say Hitler was crazy and he brought about the destruction of Germany.