Absolute, undeniable, indisuptable proof of UFOs, page 1
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Topic started on 3-7-2009 @ 12:22 PM by SaturnFX
Old subject, new evidence, and a proper display

Welcome to the neverending STS-75 incident case, this time laid out properly and with perhaps the most important video added that proves NASA was smoking space dust when trying to explain this away.

First off, the old footage...(time for youtube goodness)


Ok...we all seen this ages ago...
What we know from the UFO Hunters segment on this is that the camera used was overexposed, making all objects appear larger than what they are.
Fair enough...also, the shape of the object is due to the camera mirror...so, it wasnt a big glowie orb with indents...rather, it was lets just say of unknown shape..perhaps a sphere, perhaps not...

So, there are 2 real questions left...lets hit the most critical one first because it ties into the other.
Size.
How do we measure size? Well, simple...if its near the tether, then its pretty big, Perhaps a few dozen meters or more (maybe even the size of a tennis court) if its in front of the tether (lets say a few meters away from the camera), then its pretty small...dust and ice size.
So, the claim is simple..the objects are very very close and illuminated/overexposed which gives the effect that it swimming behind the camera.
ok...sounds good...but one slight issue with that...the laws of physics.

this next video here puts to rest the position in no uncertain term (feel free to try it in your backyard using any camera available...you will get the same results he gets.


So, if you watched the video, or tested it yourself, go back to the first video and watch the hops..the objects stay relative to the position of the tether on their flightpath, no sudden quick movements to show it was between the tether and camera...rather, it appears to be around the tether...welcome to physics 101 NASA, time to rethink that theory.

OK, so your saying..this only proves that there were objects around the tether..big whoop...its overexposed..at max, they are the size of a RV...it could be just massive pieces of ice...
Well, the last argument is about the movements...in space, random particles do not simply turn around, stop, etc...the theory some posted is that its minor thruster hits, heat from the camera, etc...however, since the former video proves that the particles were no where even remotely close to the camera...there goes that theory.

here is the latest breakdown of the STS video (dated june 29, 09) just to fully understand the movements we got going here.



This is absolute proof of UFOs...but...not proof of the objects being alien or anything...simply objects around the tether that are significant in size and moving in a controlled manner.

now, flag this sucker so we can get this to the top and let the rest of ATSers here have a proper argument and perhaps closure on this particular topic.

Thoughts? (and yes, I crawled through the other STS threads, all having a haphazard way of approaching it, with arguments and counterarguements..hopefully this one will close the book on it once and for all)


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 12:46 PM by Kandinsky
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now, flag this sucker so we can get this to the top and let the rest of ATSers here have a proper argument and perhaps closure on this particular topic.

Your optimism does you more credit than your expectations The 'tether incident' will remain a litmus test of people's viewpoints on UFOs. In twelve months there's been several heavily subscribed threads with expert input on all sides.....no resolution. I favor the 'prosaic' explanation rather than aliens or critters. Some see debris orbiting the shuttle...others see aliens.

If agreement is made on this footage, ATSers are suffering combined swine flu, heatstroke and genetic manipulation by some NWO shadow Government!


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 01:06 PM by fls13
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If by experts you mean Oberg, I find his posts to be consistently presumptuous, condescending and rude. He has no credibility with me, I don't care what his background is.


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 01:50 PM by Hawkwind.










reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 01:54 PM by Xtraeme
I'd just like to add the STS-75 camera was using a fish-eye lens, no?

If you scrape between 2:45 and 3:50:



You'll see that all the "floaters" going deeper in to the scene curve on a predictable plot. The best I could turn up was this shot from STS-71:


Source: grin.hq.nasa.gov...

Which confirms they do have a fish-eye lens, stock, on-board the shuttle, specifically from the payload bay area. Since the JSC 'scene list' says the "tether incident" was shot from the payload bay cameras, which allows for pan-tilting, I'm inclined to think the strange movement is an artifact of the lensing.

Can anyone confirm which camera / lens were in use? There's a lot of contradictory information floating about.


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 01:58 PM by spacevisitor
Originally posted by SaturnFX
here is the latest breakdown of the STS video (dated june 29, 09) just to fully understand the movements we got going here.


I must say, interesting new footage SaturnFX, I saw the same out plotted trajectorie technique by the STS 48 footage earlier in this thread, but thanks for posting.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by SaturnFX

This is absolute proof of UFOs...but...not proof of the objects being alien or anything...simply objects around the tether that are significant in size and moving in a controlled manner.


It rules for once and for all out the claim that it are nothing more then ice or dust particles, but the million-dollar question is then, what out of Earth are they then?
I think they are ET crafts, but that’s my personal opinion for the moment.
I know that zorgon has another but also interesting explanation for them, but so far, I cannot accept his view on that.

They are
CRITTERS

They are Harmless
NASA knows about them
They exist at the edges of the Visible Spectrum
They feed on Plasma energy
When fed, they glow brighter and are easier to see
They have always been here


www.abovetopsecret.com...

To bad, the links don’t work anymore.


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 02:34 PM by Kandinsky
Originally posted by fls13
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post by Kandinsky



If by experts you mean Oberg, I find his posts to be consistently presumptuous, condescending and rude. He has no credibility with me, I don't care what his background is.


I wasn't specifically referring to Jim Oberg. In the 'Tether' threads, he's quite the newcomer. He's still an expert though...I meant Depth of Field, Armap, Phage and Zorgon, amongst others.

They all have informed perspectives that they support with external and credible sources. My interpretation is that the 'tether incident' is a wild goose chase...

Edit to add: I forgot to mention RFBurns. His posts were nearly always a good read and full of conviction. We can all disagree with each other, but respect is due to the informed poster.

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