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Absolute, undeniable, indisuptable proof of UFOs

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posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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Old subject, new evidence, and a proper display

Welcome to the neverending STS-75 incident case, this time laid out properly and with perhaps the most important video added that proves NASA was smoking space dust when trying to explain this away.

First off, the old footage...(time for youtube goodness)


Ok...we all seen this ages ago...
What we know from the UFO Hunters segment on this is that the camera used was overexposed, making all objects appear larger than what they are.
Fair enough...also, the shape of the object is due to the camera mirror...so, it wasnt a big glowie orb with indents...rather, it was lets just say of unknown shape..perhaps a sphere, perhaps not...

So, there are 2 real questions left...lets hit the most critical one first because it ties into the other.
Size.
How do we measure size? Well, simple...if its near the tether, then its pretty big, Perhaps a few dozen meters or more (maybe even the size of a tennis court) if its in front of the tether (lets say a few meters away from the camera), then its pretty small...dust and ice size.
So, the claim is simple..the objects are very very close and illuminated/overexposed which gives the effect that it swimming behind the camera.
ok...sounds good...but one slight issue with that...the laws of physics.

this next video here puts to rest the position in no uncertain term (feel free to try it in your backyard using any camera available...you will get the same results he gets.


So, if you watched the video, or tested it yourself, go back to the first video and watch the hops..the objects stay relative to the position of the tether on their flightpath, no sudden quick movements to show it was between the tether and camera...rather, it appears to be around the tether...welcome to physics 101 NASA, time to rethink that theory.

OK, so your saying..this only proves that there were objects around the tether..big whoop...its overexposed..at max, they are the size of a RV...it could be just massive pieces of ice...
Well, the last argument is about the movements...in space, random particles do not simply turn around, stop, etc...the theory some posted is that its minor thruster hits, heat from the camera, etc...however, since the former video proves that the particles were no where even remotely close to the camera...there goes that theory.

here is the latest breakdown of the STS video (dated june 29, 09) just to fully understand the movements we got going here.



This is absolute proof of UFOs...but...not proof of the objects being alien or anything...simply objects around the tether that are significant in size and moving in a controlled manner.

now, flag this sucker so we can get this to the top and let the rest of ATSers here have a proper argument and perhaps closure on this particular topic.

Thoughts? (and yes, I crawled through the other STS threads, all having a haphazard way of approaching it, with arguments and counterarguements..hopefully this one will close the book on it once and for all)




posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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now, flag this sucker so we can get this to the top and let the rest of ATSers here have a proper argument and perhaps closure on this particular topic.

Your optimism does you more credit than your expectations
The 'tether incident' will remain a litmus test of people's viewpoints on UFOs. In twelve months there's been several heavily subscribed threads with expert input on all sides.....no resolution. I favor the 'prosaic' explanation rather than aliens or critters. Some see debris orbiting the shuttle...others see aliens.

If agreement is made on this footage, ATSers are suffering combined swine flu, heatstroke and genetic manipulation by some NWO shadow Government!



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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Sorry but it does nothing for me

enjoy people - i do take exception to the "absolute, undeniable" thread .

that for one in my mind is inexcusable



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Absolute, undeniable, indisuptable proof of UFOs???

i am sorry but your title is bvery misleading to say the least i expected more from such a title

as for the first video the tether incident to me it looks like one of those petri dishes under a microscope looking at bacterium (or similer) and close up of the object looks like a needle lol

i shall watch this thread with interest none the less



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Silk
enjoy people - i do take exception to the "absolute, undeniable" thread .


Ya, that is sort of a humorous thread ....considering there never will be absolute, undeniable..everything can be denied, and nothing is absolute, but it does draw attention to the right crowds which opens up proper debate.

incidently, I am actually still on the fence about the STS footage, but I find it very compelling..and the more people put proper research into it, the more compelling it becomes.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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If by experts you mean Oberg, I find his posts to be consistently presumptuous, condescending and rude. He has no credibility with me, I don't care what his background is.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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you deserve the pasting you're sure to get for using such a stupid title to this thread. I've no sympathy for anyone claiming 'indusputable' evidence, when they've got *Snip*

Some random dingbat *Snip* around with 3d-Max doesn't 'prove' anything.

You are too easily impressed.

Mod Edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors – Please Review This Link.



[edit on 7/3/2009 by semperfortis]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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I'd just like to add the STS-75 camera was using a fish-eye lens, no?

If you scrape between 2:45 and 3:50:



You'll see that all the "floaters" going deeper in to the scene curve on a predictable plot. The best I could turn up was this shot from STS-71:


Source: grin.hq.nasa.gov...

Which confirms they do have a fish-eye lens, stock, on-board the shuttle, specifically from the payload bay area. Since the JSC 'scene list' says the "tether incident" was shot from the payload bay cameras, which allows for pan-tilting, I'm inclined to think the strange movement is an artifact of the lensing.

Can anyone confirm which camera / lens were in use? There's a lot of contradictory information floating about.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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First of all I wished there was a no-no list of words which may not be used in a thread title like absolute, undeniable, indisuptable, 100%, irrefutable etc etc etc

I only have a serious simple(?) question. Is there anybody who could please explain how those particles move at a different rate of speed in so many different directions?

[edit on 3-7-2009 by necati]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
here is the latest breakdown of the STS video (dated june 29, 09) just to fully understand the movements we got going here.


I must say, interesting new footage SaturnFX, I saw the same out plotted trajectorie technique by the STS 48 footage earlier in this thread, but thanks for posting.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Originally posted by SaturnFX

This is absolute proof of UFOs...but...not proof of the objects being alien or anything...simply objects around the tether that are significant in size and moving in a controlled manner.


It rules for once and for all out the claim that it are nothing more then ice or dust particles, but the million-dollar question is then, what out of Earth are they then?
I think they are ET crafts, but that’s my personal opinion for the moment.
I know that zorgon has another but also interesting explanation for them, but so far, I cannot accept his view on that.


They are
CRITTERS

They are Harmless
NASA knows about them
They exist at the edges of the Visible Spectrum
They feed on Plasma energy
When fed, they glow brighter and are easier to see
They have always been here


www.abovetopsecret.com...

To bad, the links don’t work anymore.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Machines but NASA doesn't have any.
Von Braun probably made them by 1955 when he had
to go back to rockets to put our first satellite in orbit.
The Russian got the rocket scientists and we got the saucer scientists.
Von Braun knew but from 1945 to 1955 the saucer was developed.
Thus causing the missile gap.
And then space gap.
So von Braun moved over to NASA.
After much fan fare on TV Disney Sunday nights telling everyone
about space and rockets.
The saucer was never mentioned as the flights over the Capitol was
the curtain call for concentrated development.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Just an observation I had: Why do all of these "UFO's" face the camera at exactly the same angle? The only conclusion you can draw from that is they must all be moving in the exact same plane of motion. It looks as if we are viewing them from directly above the object i.e. looking down at the roof of the object. You don't see any of them at a different angle, like slightly tilted 30 degree's in the z-direction if we were looking at them in an xyz-plane. It's like they are only moving in a 2 dimensional plane instead of a 3rd dimension.

Why is this? Seems to take away from the arguement that these are actual flying craft in space.

[edit on 3-7-2009 by Gdc934]

[edit on 3-7-2009 by Gdc934]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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There is already another STS 75 thread on the first page with these videos in it.

Thank you,
Bloodline
The department of redundancy department



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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every one calm down, fair play it aint an EBE walking up to you and saying hi but its still very impressive, the thing that strikes me with this footage is the way some of the 'things' just appear out of nowhere and dissappear aswell. I like this thread and well done to whoever made the new video, they obviously took some of there own time and did a very good job.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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No-one disputes UFOs.

The question is what UFOs are - whereupon they obviously cease to be UFOs.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by fls13
reply to post by Kandinsky
 


If by experts you mean Oberg, I find his posts to be consistently presumptuous, condescending and rude. He has no credibility with me, I don't care what his background is.


I wasn't specifically referring to Jim Oberg. In the 'Tether' threads, he's quite the newcomer. He's still an expert though...I meant Depth of Field, Armap, Phage and Zorgon, amongst others.

They all have informed perspectives that they support with external and credible sources. My interpretation is that the 'tether incident' is a wild goose chase...


Edit to add: I forgot to mention RFBurns. His posts were nearly always a good read and full of conviction. We can all disagree with each other, but respect is due to the informed poster.

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posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Essan
No-one disputes UFOs.

Of course UFOs exist. But there aren't any in any of these videos. Just a bunch of ice/dust.

Originally posted by Silk
Sorry but it does nothing for me
enjoy people - i do take exception to the "absolute, undeniable" thread .
that for one in my mind is inexcusable


Originally posted by ronishia
Absolute, undeniable, indisuptable proof of UFOs???
i am sorry but your title is bvery misleading to say the least i expected more from such a title



Originally posted by eniac
you deserve the pasting you're sure to get for using such a stupid title to this thread. I've no sympathy for anyone claiming 'indusputable' evidence, when they've got f()(k-all

Some random dingbat pi$$ing around with 3d-Max doesn't 'prove' anything.
You are too easily impressed.



Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Mods, for the love of god, could you please start editing thread titles such as this one? Absolute, undeniable, indisuptable proof of UFOs my arse.


Anyone see a pattern? Mods can you do anything about this totally unjustified title? Is there any way to subtract stars from the OP for misleading me into watching this with a fake title?



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Gdc934
Just an observation I had: Why do all of these "UFO's" face the camera at exactly the same angle? The only conclusion you can draw from that is they must all be moving in the exact same plane of motion. It looks as if we are viewing them from directly above the object i.e. looking down at the roof of the object. You don't see any of them at a different angle, like slightly tilted 30 degree's in the z-direction if we were looking at them in an xyz-plane. It's like they are only moving in a 2 dimensional plane instead of a 3rd dimension.

Why is this? Seems to take away from the arguement that these are actual flying craft in space.

[edit on 3-7-2009 by Gdc934]

[edit on 3-7-2009 by Gdc934]


You mean the doughnut shape.
That is just caused by a bright light surrounding an electrically energized
craft using a Tesla coil.
Ever see a Tesla coil spark away on youtube videos.
Connected to a metal craft the whole outsides glow with electrified
air.

Thats the theory perhaps, but you won't catch me inside any
contraption with a live Tesla coil even if Tesla himself said it was
ok. Like I said its a theory, I think the coil could be outside as
Tesla demonstrated his electrical carriers in the ether go through
non conductors. I would like that better and hope a metal craft
would shield like a Faraday cage.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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OP great post, I love reading the posts from other about the good old STS video, I think I may have used this once or twice.

Yes it has been discussed before, but there are new members joining everyday so why not put it out there, These thred can easily be buried with the amount of threads that are put up everyday.

After talking with various people I too am shifting over to critters, i.e organisms in space that are being kept secret by NASA so we don't start asking questions.

We will soon find out though the disclosure scene is getting stronger and the wall of secrecy is starting to show sigs of cracks.

Look forward to some more threads.



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