State of the Union: Powell 'concerned' about Obama's agenda

Originally posted by Sheeper
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

So he thought it was in his political interest to endorse Obama and is now seeing that the way things are going it might be in his best interest to distance himself and come back to his core audience....Ha, bs!!! He can go and be a democrat now, he can't be taken serious amongst conservatives and most republicans anymore. What is the point of classifying yourself as a Republican if you can support someone that is the polar opposite of your belief system. How do you define trust, because to me that makes him untrustworthy. If all it takes is skin color to abandon your principles then your a shallow human being. And even if it was just him drinking the koolaid then he still abandoned his principles and for what exactly, to follow a fool. Hmmmph Powell who?



[edit on 4-7-2009 by Sheeper]

I agree primarily with most of what you have to say. Powell rose to prominence first on the National and World Stage as neither a Democrat or Republican but as first and foremost a Soldier.

Becoming a Joint Cheif of Staff is a selection made not on Political party and in fact throughout Powell's rise in the Military he pretty much stayed an "independent".

When he distinquished himself so spectacuarly and photogenically during the 1st Gulf War both the Democrats and the Republicance woed him and the Republicans at the time were actually a little surprised that they managed to get him into the Republican party.

Neocons who want to legislate morality and mantain an empire especially in the Middle East with a Christian Zionist Agenda of considering Israel, America's unofficial 51st State are hardly Republicans but zealots and extremists.

Regan Democrats saw a huge advantage in electing him to a second term.

Parties should have platforms that are centrist, and not extreme, and the extreme ellements of the Republican party who have abandoned and ignored a lot of it's primary tenants have become for the most part as bad and as liberal in some regards as tax and spend democrats.

Democrats who a majority of are gravitating so far to the left that they want to legislate morality not in Christian terms so much like the Neocons do but in Politically Correct terms and regulate all facets of life to not just enforce a racial and sexual equality but an economic of one of primarily everyone having to be poor to pay for all their social engineering have become socialists.

The Neocons are so far to the right, and most of the Democrats are so far to the left, they have in many ways circumnavigated the spectrum and could practically reach out and touch each other from the extreme destinations they have each taken their parties too.

If they each took one half more step one to the right, and one to the left they would be joined...if they actually reversed to meet back in the middle where they first split it would be a heck of a long trip, and that's what makes them seem far apart, but on the "Dark Side of the Moon" where both these prominent elements of both parties reside, they are actually within hugging distance of each other, and in fact do, which is why our two party system is really a one party system, with each purposefully creating problems, that each purposefully create false solutions to that just enable both to keep driving what looks like a different agenda, but is really the same agenda forward.

Everyone who is human should live and govern themselves by a 'code' that means something to them as far as their real values...no two political parties, or the extreme ellements that take them over and propel them, are ever going to come close to sharing the "codes" that most Americans live out their day to day lives on, and we really should stop pretending either partry can be a solution or can speak or do justice to or for hundreds and hundreds of millions Americans who just don't share their extreme values to the right or the left once these people gain offices and majorities.

The system is broke, the parties are broke, the country is broke, and being married to a party, either party, who are both responsible for this debacle we are in and facing is foolish in my humble oppinion.

Neither are the solution.

Both are the problem.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

State of the Union: Powell 'concerned' about Obama's agenda

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

WASHINGTON (CNN) – In a wide-ranging interview set to air Sunday on CNN's State of the Union, one of President Barack Obama's most prominent Republican supporters says he is 'concerned' about the new president's ambitious agenda and the high price tags accompanying many of Obama's initiatives.

"I'm a little concerned," former Secretary of State Colin Powell says. "I'm concerned at the number of programs that are being presented, the bills associated with these programs and the additional government that will be needed to execute them."

(visit the link for the full news article)

If he is a globalist, he is not so concerned. For the Constitution and U.S. as a country, I think "Little concerned" is not what most should feel.

Powell is NOT a republican. He supported Obama.

Powell is not even a soldier, he is a political "House Negro" who rose to prominence through affirmative action blessings. He never stepped foot in to a battle field and should not be compared to real service people who were actually in the S**T putting their life on the line.




[edit on 4-7-2009 by SaraThustra]

There is a huge difference between challening the efficacy and funding of programs, and if Colin Powell has "awakened" to some giant socialist conspiracy. He's making a valid statement but nowhere in there did I read anything warning the public about the evil Obama destroying the country with socialism. As someone else pointed out, he is a Republican and they favor small, centralized government while Democrats overspend.

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Come again? Colin Powell served in active duty in Vietnam and was injured. My uncle served under him in Gulf War II, that was hardly "nonbattlefield" experience.

He may have been given a second chance by his own admission for failing a field review in the early 1970s but that man legitimately earned EVERY star and promotion he got. He's no Schwarzkopf sitting around running his mouth for the camera taking credit for other's work and for a skewed invasion that was unwinnable from the Iraqi side.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by secretagent woooman]

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I agree with you on your views and couldn't have said any of this any better. How I feel also is - us Americans have lost control and we are so use to being lied to we can't tell the difference any more when these political gang members are compaigning.

It is like two gangs - the Gambinos's and Genavese's - and what ever gang wins gets the spoils of the country - makes me sick. i do think some politicians go to Washington thinking it is a sewer only to find out it is a spa they can join for thier own benefit.

I do not know how much more crap Americans can take from it's leaders but it is certain not much more. None of our leaders make decisions like thier families lives depended on it, and if they did I'm am sure we wouldn't be in this pickle right now. The politicians we elect cannot relate to average American and so that is why they lie to us - they have to. Most of our country has no idea how serious it is going to become but will soon when it hits them persoanlly.

You spanked Lilitu pretty good and that person had it coming - good for you. I for one am sick and tired of running away everytime someone brings up race and uses it like a weapon with no reasoning behind it.

And as for Obama - I would be really p$^$% off if I had voted for him. He is not coming across with anything he promised Americans - period - just more of the same - spoils of the victory and of course this "We won - you didn't" attitude. Make me want to up-chuck.

You know, obviously there are racist black people. They are, after all, human beings. But, in my opinion, you guys seem to have forgotten your American history. The only reason there are things like a black caucus and a United Negro College fund is because black people got completely and utterly # on for most of the history of this country. We live in a time where they are finally getting some back. Affirmative action has probably outlasted its usefulness, but it was a necessity. If you treat people differently, and far from well, don't be surprised if they stick together and do what they can to help themselves.

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And that's another thing - I mean how long and how many times are we going to beg for forgivness for slavery - like America was the only country to have it. Doesn't make it right of course - but I mean come on - this has has beatin to death and like we are going to forget it ever happened? As you said - it is "HISTORY" right? It cannot be forgotten.

The black communittee is living in the past and still blaming everything on history. Don't get me wrong history does count for something of course. The black communitte has got all it's seperate organizations / seperate schools / magaizines - you name it. Yes we are getting it back all right. We lower our standards by law for a few so they can make a life and then get it shoved right back in our faces for doing so - it will always be a no win situation as long as our country is constantly reminded daily / hourly et about our mistreatment of the blacks in our histrory - until the black communitte gets over thier own racist discriminating fingure pointing things will never change in America. Get over it and live in peace.

I agree with you. We need to get over our history - all of us. And, move on into the future. However, while I'm sure there were plenty of black people who voted for a black skinned president because he's black-skinned, I'm sure there were plenty who voted for him just because they believed in him, regardless of his color. I've read on this thread more people bring up the race card, who aren't black, than black's bring it up in real life. They're in a no win situation. If they back a black person people will say, it's because he's black. Regardless of whether that's true or not. They can turn around to white people who don't back a black guy and say they're not back the black guy because he's black. I could easily make accusations that all the white people who backed McCain did it because he's a white dude. It's a BS argument.
I've heard less people actually accuse someone of being racist when they disagree with Obama than many people here are saying.

Powell can't decide which side of the fence he wants to be on.

It would be great if he would simply declare himself an independent centrist and seek public office based on that.

His concerns are valid, and everyone who jumped on the Obama train (self included) should be seriously concerned right now.

Set aside all of your political bias and and take another good long look at what is going on with the Obama administration and majority ruled congress. It should scare the hell out of ANY "American"

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


As a libertarian, it is my belief that both parties are in agreement per authoritarianism. And while the paths are different, the goal is the same. The complete subjugation of power over the American people and a monopoly over all resources. (ie Crap in trade, Control of banks, and automobiles, Universal health care, etc.)

Can Powell endorse Obama, while still being critical of him?

I don't understand the logic that states Powell has abandoned Obama's endorsement due to a ideological "disagreements".

BTW- Obama would not have been elected, if some republicans didn't cross over and vote for him. Mr. Powell was one of them. And while I disagree with his allegiance, i respect his integrity in voting for who he thought was the best candidate. If more people would vote based on their conscious and not based on party loyalty. Maybe America would be a better place?

[edit on 4-7-2009 by msnevil] Sorry, I had a american education, my grammer sucks. Edited grammer for easier comprehension.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by msnevil]

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It is like two gangs - the Gambinos's and Genavese's - and what ever gang wins gets the spoils of the country - makes me sick. i do think some politicians go to Washington thinking it is a sewer only to find out it is a spa they can join for thier own benefit.

It’s a very apt analogy and even more so that there is commission with a HEAD that governs all the crime families that allow each one certain territory and control of certain things. Republicans and Democrats both certainly try to stake out territories that seem ‘unique’ to them but at the end of the day they each are simply stealing and lying and pillaging in their own unique ways! Great analogy, thanks for sharing it.

I do not know how much more crap Americans can take from it's leaders but it is certain not much more. None of our leaders make decisions like thier families lives depended on it, and if they did I'm am sure we wouldn't be in this pickle right now. The politicians we elect cannot relate to average American and so that is why they lie to us - they have to. Most of our country has no idea how serious it is going to become but will soon when it hits them persoanlly.

What is really going to start hitting many of the politicians especially on the local level first and some on the Federal level is the inflation that the monetary pool that has been drastically increased through the bailouts is going to cause and already is causing. Ron Paul is right in that inflation is a hidden tax. People with good accountants and who utilize their money in certain manners can avoid paying a lot of tax on it on April 15th. What you can’t avoid is 2.00 dollars of every gallon of gasoline, or 4.00 dollars of every pack of cigarettes that you buy. What you can’t avoid is how prices that rise 15%, 40%, 60% because of inflation and added on special taxes on the local and Federal level at the cash register. As these ‘hidden’ inflationary taxes, and overt ‘desperation’ ‘maintenance’ and ‘vice’ taxes erode more of even the people who like politicians who cling solidly still in the middle class they too are going to find they are falling out of the middle class and into a more restricted state of poverty every day and might cause them to start showing some real dissention and thinking their own actions through a bit better on the local, state and federal level. In many ways their families lives do depend on their decisions as politicians as you don’t really ‘elect’ politicians, you ‘choose’ a politician from a ‘slate’ of candidates that the Powers that Be have first ‘elected’ to allow you to choose from. The politicians serve their Masters the Powers that Be and there are really repercussions just like in the Mafia for not serving your Master well. They are out of touch with regular Americans because they live, work, and breathe in social and political and business levels of the stratosphere that have nothing but distain and contempt for the average American. There is an ugly reality to the election process that America is going to have to eventually deal with if America wishes to remain a representative republic and that is that all candidates are preselected by the Powers that Be who fund them, give them various issues and platforms to run on, and see that their campaigns get publicity and volunteers and other large financial contributions from powerful organizations under the Powers that Be umbrella. While they appear to be campaigning and appealing for you to choose them based on a platform and promises to you, the real promises that they have made to the Powers that Be prior to that and the real agenda the Powers that Be want them to carry out in office once and if elected are what matters to them.
It’s a show for you and us, business as usual to them.

You spanked Lilitu pretty good and that person had it coming - good for you. I for one am sick and tired of running away everytime someone brings up race and uses it like a weapon with no reasoning behind it.

I don’t know if she had it coming or not as most of the people I spank in real life really enjoy it and look forward to it! Spanking isn’t just a discipline it’s a reward for some! Yet in my humble opinion she is missing the broader issues of reality and her own other choice comments display a dismissive ability to just put a whole lot of emotional nonsense into primarily emotional assessments that are not responsive but reactionary and are not aimed at proactively making the world a better place. People who play the race card are simply trying to keep issues off the table and quality options and choices being discussed openly as they look to eek out and draw out a domain for themselves based on the concept of race or religion while accusing others of being precisely what they are themselves through those ploys.

Running away from people who cry racism is simply wrong and they should always be challenged to prove where racism is at play in an untoward or unfair way to quantify and qualify their allogations. They usually can't when challenged on it, and she didn't even try.

People who take that approach will be the ones who runaway and stop muddying the waters when you let them know it's adults only in the pool time.

And as for Obama - I would be really p$^$% off if I had voted for him. He is not coming across with anything he promised Americans - period - just more of the same - spoils of the victory and of course this "We won - you didn't" attitude. Make me want to up-chuck.

At the end of the day most people have always had to learn to survive on one little thing, absolution and validation.
Whoever might have won the election would be driving the same agenda, Washington and the Powers that Be are a machine, the politicians are the machines drivers…but they drive a machine that is on auto pilot that is not controlled by them, they simply put a face on it. Like the deadly subway crash in Washington D.C. the drivers of the train did not control the trains, the automated control systems did and one of the drivers desperately tried to override the system to regain control to avoid catastrophe. It really believe it or not isn’t about spoils of the victory; Obama is just that driver, at the helm publicly for a public that needs to see someone at the helm, of a machine that is remotely driven.

People are taught to seek absolution and validation as in picking the ‘right’ and ‘winning’ side in a ‘might makes right’ ‘to the winner goes the spoils’ society and mentality as a way to sustain them in their abject suffering and loss so that they don’t see their abject suffering as a loss but a victory and being right. This is how the Powers that Be maintain and perpetuate the illusion by appealing to people’s base vanities and deficiencies and letting them indulge and wallow in the mire of them, while they loot the nation financially and morally and socially from behind the scene.

Originally posted by msnevil
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

As a libertarian, it is my belief that both parties are in agreement per authoritarianism. And while the paths are different, the goal is the same. The complete subjugation of power over the American people and a monopoly over all resources. (ie Crap in trade, Control of banks, and automobiles, Universal health care, etc.)

I couldn't agree with you more friend.

Keep spreading the word!

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Lilitu

 

Powell's support of Obama had nothing to do with "Black Politics" (how racist! ). It had everything to to with the fact that all the GOP had to offer was a geriatric fool and a delusional tongue-talking twit, nevermind the political malfeasance and incompetence of the GOP as a whole.

Artist like Jimi Hendrix would tell you (if he was still alive but did when he was) his decision to part from the Experience to play with black musicians was all about Black politics and pressure he recieved from prominent blacks in black politics.

He will also tell you (if he was still alive but did when he was) that parting with his White rythem section Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding to adopt a Black rythem section to make the Black Poltical Community happy drove him to musical frustration, depression and suicide which is why he eventually parted ways with his Black rythem section and begged Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding to start playing with him again.

Pointing out that their is racism in the world is not racist. Racist is things like Jet Magazine, the United Negro College Fund, the Congressional Black Caucus which are all designed for one segment of the population exclusively based on race.

There is such a thing as 'politically correct' which is a poor substitute for things like the 'truth' and 'common sense' and in large part is why the country has been in a downward slide for decades because people can't openly discuss the facts of racism except when it comes to how certain people are presumed to be 'victimized' by it.

I don't know Colin Powell and chances are neither do you so all you and I can do is speculate as to why he 'really' chose to contribute to McCain's campaign financially but endorse Obama's in the 11th and last hour.

Where as I clearly stated I am speculating that there was likely intense behind the scenes pressure by prominent blacks, and one black man who endorsed McCain at a political town hall event receive within days 20,000 very racist emails from other blacks unhappy that he had endorsed McCain so lets not pretend for the sake of Political Correctness that such things do not occur because obviously they do.

You on the other hand are stating that it couldn't have happened with absolutely no first hand knowledge by stating the 'official' political cover story, while ignoring that Powell is quite alarmed with Obama's agenda.

It's not racist to talk about the issues regarding race at least it isn't when you are an Al Sharpton or a Jesse Jackson or a Congressional Black Caucus or a Miss Black America or a Jet Magazine...

So please tell me how my comments are racist when clearly there is such a thing as black politics whether it offends your sensibilities or agenda or not.

Thanks!

Actually Noel Redding left the band because he was tired of Jimi's direction. Then an old
contract surfaced and Jimi was to deliver a full length album. Mitch was pissed for being paid peanuts all for the work and therefore spending time at home in the UK... The band of Gypsies was an act of contractual and financial necessity, Cox was a long time friend of Jimi's and was willing to help, miles was a fellow player who was also a friend from the village. The entire point of the shows 1970 New Years was to PRODUCE a full length album in order to keep Jimi from getting sued over this contractual agreement that was haunting him at the time. Black power was hardly the main motivating factor for Band of Gypsies.

BTW BILLY COX was a way better BASS PLAYER than Redding and any player including Jimi would or will tell you that. Ultimately it was Mitch and Cox that made for the best group - a combination of BOTH previous groups.

"White collared conservative flashing down the street,
pointing their plastic finger at me,
they're hoping soon my kind will drop and die,
but I'm gonna wave my freak flag high, high, wow.
Wave on, wave on."



[edit on 4-7-2009 by mental modulator]

That's true. Noel Redding was a guitarist and was handed a bass by Chas Chandler. Chandler said, you want in the band? You now play base.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by really]

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Thanks for sharing those additional insights on the experience versus band of gypsies.

I saw the New Year Eve Show at the Filmore East and enjoyed watching Hendrix play with the band he had assembled for it. Both Miles and Cox were solid and accomplished very respectable musicians but it certainly lacked the energy and showmanship of the Experience.

Honestly as a musician and a drummer, I felt like it was a 'tighter' band, but not the kind of band that could accomodate Jimmi in his love for impromptu long drawn out jams based on his mood and buzz the night of any given show, so I am pretty sure in Jimmi's mind they lacked the versatillity Hendrix has come to display in rendering songs live that depending on his given mood and buzz could be 3 minutes and 30 seconds or 30 minutes and 30 seconds or anywhere in between.

Zeppelin to could go off on some widely changing tangents at times, and like Hendrix change original tempos, throw in other little diddies and timing and then pull it all back together on track with signature licks usually played by the drummer or the guitarist to prompt the band back into a sequay back into the recorded version of the song.

He couldn't really do that with Miles and Cox but Jimi did very much claim pressure by the black political community especially the black panthers to create more music and focus more energy towards black audiences instead of white ones, and was very much worried at times that he might end up not being entirely accepted by his white audiences because he was black, and that he might not be entirely accepted by his black audiences becuase he primarily wanted to play white music.

He was certainly a troubled soul in troubled times wrestling with a lot of pressures artistically, socially, politically, and spiritually and battling some helacious addictions all on top of it at the same time.

In my own personal oppinion, Jimi Hendrix's legacy and contributions will far out last and out weigh anything Colin Powell ever has or ever will do.

Jimi was a rare genius, innovator and spirit.

": Powell 'concerned' about Obama's agenda"

Is it the "AGENDA", or our countries deficit!

I have to admit, I was an Obama fan thru and thru during the election.

I still think McCain would have been worse!

BUT !, HOW can you try to push things like this this health care plan of his on a country that is already "TRILLIONS in DEBT and expect the country, now with this NEW burden, to pull out of this economic hole!

This healthcare program is not going to come cheap, the average "JOE" worker who is barely squeeking by, paying his mortgage, his car payment, his insurance for his car, is going to cut into EVERYBODIES paycheck!

I just think that, of all the times to start a program like this, it is THE WORST TIME!

Good god man, lets cut back on this HUGE government bureaucracy that we have now!

Like MOST people who can't pay their bills, let's cut back what the federal government is doing and is in charge of so that "The People", who elected you, who are struggling, and who can't pay their mortgages can still stay afloat!

The last thing this country needs right now is for our own government to raise our taxes for something THEY think we need!

Originally posted by msnevil

BTW- Obama would not have been elected, if some republicans didn't cross over and vote for him. Mr. Powell was one of them. And while I disagree with his allegiance, i respect his integrity in voting for who he thought was the best candidate. If more people would vote based on their conscious and not based on party loyalty. Maybe America would be a better place?

[edit on 4-7-2009 by msnevil]

You are assuming he HAS a concience, Powel didn't vote his conscience.

He voted his Race and he is loyal to THAT because at the time, Obama had no experience what so ever and no one knew a thing about his backround and I still don't know where he was born but I know he won't say verbally in public ever when asked and it is only the clowns that defend this.

Speaking of clowns



Guys like Irish Mick, weedhacker, Benevolent heretic and Souther Guardian, I just want to say Thanks,

Thanks for all the threads I read where you argued up and down for Obama, calling anyone who disagreed a racist and a neocon whacko. Thanks for shutting us down with ridicule when we tried to get a peak at the vaulted BC and for calling us "fringers" and "Birthers".

Thanks for blasting us wth the Obama Tax plan and how it was going to help "the little guy" Thanks for demonizing capitalism while singing the praises of socialism but saying Obama isn't a socialist while our Government has a Government manufactured Car and Government Banks and Government health care soon.

Thanks for over looking Obamas Resume having nothing on it. Thanks for telling us how stupid we all were for fearing all lthe things Obama Promised he would renig and the mistakes that made you so angry at Bush about, Obama would make all those look like he only stole some candy. Thanks for telling us all that stuff about the media not being biased while I continue to decide which is the better reality show, the Obama's or the Osbornes.

Thanks for making us understand that all those shady individuals that Obama surrounded himself with like William Ayers and Cousin Raul Odinga, were only a small taste of what was to come and what we were afraid of in the first place. That codifying people like castro and Armindinejad while giving our allies the cold shoulder is why we know what we have known and knew then, all along.

That Obama is incompetent and surrounded himself with even more incompetence to advise him. And arent ya proud of yourself that we let this Kenyan Con artist score the Trifecta and gamble with our money on bad investments where WE bear all the risk.

I Notice you guys don't say much anymore and don't know where ya went but I wish to say THANKS! for giving all of us every right to be pissed off and say WE TOLD YOU SO.

So how 's that "Change" workin for ya ? Yeah and it's gonna get worse, a LOT worse. Guess you shouold have listened to the "fringers" huh?

but noooo no waay!! No, you told us what you were doing is smarter, better, more progessive and all that stuff you said you would deny us or,, what was that you kept saying you were doing? Ahh yes,, I remember now, you wanted to,,

"deny ignorance"

[edit on 4-7-2009 by DASFEX]

I have Colin's book and I think I will re-read some of it again tomorrow.

It was awesome the first time.

lets see if it is somehow different tomorrow.