State of the Union: Powell 'concerned' about Obama's agenda, page 2
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reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 03:19 PM by vonholland
reply to post by DASFEX


As a white boy and seeing you argument, I think you are putting a little too much attention to detail here. in my analogy its like a shot through the nose or a shot through the forehead, they both are skillshots and do the same exact thing. Just my view. Ya dig?

I live under the roof of a drunken racist (my dad) and its funny to watch him be racist at times (he was cursing koreans on tuesday nights phils game, calling themuntrustworthy, and had no legit reasons why. I thought it was hilarious).

However, black scholarships, AA, Jet, Ebony (I've read like a years worth, and its racist as anything) get me really angry. i also see blacks group together. I just closed a 401k, and there were 5 out of about 20 blacks in a group of workers. They ALL came to me. I get all the blacks and one white out of the group. They just stuck together. Its racist. Don't say its culture, becuse they didnt live anywhere near each other.

I also train boxing at an predominantly black gym. The racism there is phenominal, especially when Kimbo was coming up. I laughed and laughed when he was knocked out by a yogurt stand guy, espially when the young blacks had better role models (even racially speaking) like Rashad Evans and Rampage Jackson.

In my opinion, and the opinions of the white "kids" growing up under the racist families who say "F N's" (I wont say it) and on and on, the black community has to show US they arent racist as well, its gotta go both ways or "kids (22 years old)" will out of habit and ease "stick to our roots"

Its fun to call out Obama's "blackisms" like saying filling the tires will make the cars go further. It screams African american culture. get as mad as you want, but my racist white surroundings laughed their ass off. And it is a comical solution to a hard problem. It might of been just stupidity, I dont know.
Take it easy brother. Don't be defensive, it leads to close-mindedness rather than openness. Admit the racism, and we can go further together.

To stay on point, its a damn shame Powell let race get the best of him. I like him, regardless of the racists around me say about him. Its a damn shame hes makiing racist descisions, cause that tells me what my drunken redneck side of the family is saying is correct.

Peace and love


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 03:50 PM by earlywatcher
there was a lot of pressure for blacks to support obama during the campaign. he was the first black to get that far. heady stuff. powell, being an influential person himsel, probably hoped to be part of the administration that was going to clean things up, take american onto a new track. change. all that stuff that voters believed in.

obama said all the right things, what everybody wanted to hear. how could a black man not support a black man who promised to much? i'm sure he didn't see it as racist at the time. i think blacks often don't understand that racism isn't just about them. (example how blacks can say the n word as much as they want and it's affectionate but if a white says it it's racist--makes no sense).

now it is becoming apparent that obama's actions do not match his promises at all. that's not an issue of race, its just true. my white friends who totally believed in him and still do get a certain hurt confused look on their face when cap and trade comes up or the czar situation. they can't say he's going wrong exactly so they say he is trying so hard but "others" won't let him do what he wants to do. others referring to public and elected people, not his secret controllers. i'm sure powell gets that look on his face too. the look that says he can't really mean to be doing this stuff it must be a mistake and somebody else's fault, but powell's smart enough to begin to see that obama is the driving force.

i always feel like i need to put an asterisk by obama's name to say yes i know he is a puppet controlled by others but he's the public face so we call that obama.


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 03:57 PM by GorehoundLarry
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
It's ironic a guy who served in the Bush Administration is "concerned" about the new President.

Really? The administration that is responsible for the death over a million Iraqis and over a thousand US soldiers. (and according to some, responsible for the death on 9/11)

Even though we should all be concerned with Obama's healthcare plan and so on, this guy has no room to talk about concerns. Just my opinion of course.

[edit on 3-7-2009 by GorehoundLarry]


This is a guy who was furious with the Bush Administration which is why he did not stay on as Secretary of State.

This is a guy who was mad that he was given bad intelligence and stood up before the United Nations and put his own good name and credibility on the line.

Having the real history really does help people formulate better observations and assesments!

Thanks for posting.


Doesn't really make up for what happened on 9/11.

He also contradicted himself quite a few times. Iraq had no WMD, then they did. Wow, really?

Guess that "bad intelligence" that was handed to him is ok though. It was just a mistake. Tell that to the families of all the deceased soldiers. Tell that to the families in Iraq who lost loved ones due to our bombs.

He was SO furious with the administration, he didn't feel the need to actually put America on alert about the terrorist warnings they've gotten. And if the government WAS behind 9/11, this man was so furious he let over 2000 people die? (See, I defend the 9/11 truth movement too sometimes lol)

He was furious with the administration so much, he didn't feel the need to investigate Iraq's WMD theory a little more? Or was that "bad intelligence" a bunch of bs?

you decide.

All the "bad intelligence" is a good way to defend yourself when you know you're working with a bunch of crooks and liars.



[edit on 3-7-2009 by GorehoundLarry]


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 04:30 PM by inregardstoo
This thread is very entertaining. Funny thing is people are not looking at the history behind using the race card. Its been going on since long before most of us where born. The point is slight of hand, those who understand deception and those who have the means can understand it. History has long shown powerful circles of people using issues to play upon the emotions of the majority of populations who are usually undereducated. The cultural diversity training I received years ago at college was very clear and concise on prejudiced behaviors. Believe me the word prejudice is not some call sign for a people a single race, it blankets all. Throughout the span of all major wars the affluent class had to find ways to get people interested in fighting the war for them. In the ancient history it was simple to convince people as many of them could not read and write. As the generations progressed things changed, people learned how to read and write and much literature was morphed into deception, especially publications. Most of the worlds conflicts had a delusional reference at a beginning of a war which provided the victor much much gold in their coffers. Now lets bring television and the internet into the mix of the deception before a war. What emotions are being played on now to convince the innocent to be guilty and then kill. Should a reference be made of World War II when race also took on a large theme. Lets not forgot about the bankers who profited after funding both the Russians and The Nazis, anybody remember that? What about the civil war? Was everyone railroaded into thinking they where fighting over freeing slaves when it was the money which exploited the farmers into the situation where slavery seemed more economical. The money was the root of all the evil in that war. Is that where the term railroaded came from to begin with? Was not the civil war really fought over economic expansion or slavery? Case and point, racism is only one of many sins played on one side of the lines in warfare. If the ignorant are convinced the profit is simple, but those who are educated are murdered. This truth has been the same throughout all history and the spirits are well aware after the passing. Beware, the book burning comes next if simple minded racism prevails. So tell me folks, who is the real victim here? In the end I know who it is.


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 05:16 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by GorehoundLarry


I am sure for Powell to have gotten as high up in the Government as he did he did realize and know he was working with a bunch of crooks and liars.

Yet we also have to look at things at that level of the political and social stratosphere a bit different.

Many people (and I believe it myself) believe it was the Secret Service Driver who shot Kennedy and that Connelly secreted the gun on his person after taking a wound himself to be cast above suspicion almost everyone standing right around or within clear sight of the Presidents Convertible were all dead themselves by suspicious circumstances within two years.

If you think we are to be chipped and spied upon and intruded upon in every way, do you think Richard Nixon really understood his own White House recordings would one day be used against him?

These people on Powell’s level are heavily monitored, and like the Pope's Swiss Guard, they are there to protect you or they are there to eliminate you at a single moments notice should you cross the line, and there is someone always watching and monitoring to see if you do.

That's why often these types like Powell and others speak cryptically, weigh their words carefully and go only go so far within parameters where they know they will cross from being a hunter, to being hunted.

It doesn't get safer or easier each rung of the ladder you make it up, in fact it gets more dangerous and harder, because ultimately where there is a hill, only one person can occupy it at the very summit and highest point, and only one person can be the King.

The bigger they get the harder they fall, the higher they get the further they fall.

A lot of these guys and I am not speaking for Powell or saying he is one of them, are as frightened and concerned as we are and even more so, in reality no one very high up the food chain cares what I have to say on a place like ATS.

Should someone like Colin Powell start saying things that would cause people high up on the food chain on some place like ATS or publicly, it would be noticed quickly, it would be corrected quickly.

You always have to keep that in mind, and I support the 9-11 Truth Movement too friend. All Americans should because no case has ever been presented in Court and no one has ever been officially charged or tried, and THAT IS NOT how America is supposed to work.


[edit on 4/7/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 05:41 PM by SFwife
Originally posted by Heisenberg
Hitler also spoke well and we see where that landed the world. I am fed up with people following one who speaks well, no excuse.

reply to post by RRconservative




Obama only speaks well when he has a teleprompter.Have you seen him attempt to make a statement without one ? Its a painful ,stuttering ,and unintelligent mess .

I am glad Powell is speaking up .


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 05:52 PM by marg6043
reply to post by GorehoundLarry


I agree, I always liked Powell because his integrity, but that was lost when he was told by the Bush administration to make a case of war on Iraq to the UN.

He did his job and I truly believe that he actually believed that it was a case to be made.

Then he fell from grace when he was cut short of his term and found out that he was been used because his integrity and reputation.

That is why he stayed away from politics after he was replaced.

So while many think that he is damage goods I still believe he has integrity.



reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 05:59 PM by David9176
reply to post by marg6043


I tend to agree with you Marg. I've always liked Powell as well. I think he believed in Obama's anti-war stance...which is why I think he stood where he did. Maybe he was trying to wrong a right....and now he's seeing that he was wrong here as well.

I don't fault him anymore than I fault anyone else who voted for Obama....the one's I do fault are the ones who pay ZERO attention to what is happening in this country and the world abroad.


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 07:34 PM by Rasputin13
Originally posted by LilituPowell's support of Obama had nothing to do with "Black Politics" (how racist! ). It had everything to to with the fact that all the GOP had to offer was a geriatric fool and a delusional tongue-talking twit, nevermind the political malfeasance and incompetence of the GOP as a whole.
Wow. It's comments like this that really make me shake my head. You're clearly an Obama supporter and a Democrat at best, and a leftwing liberal that hates Republicans at worst. You clearly won... your guy was elected by a healthy margin and is now enjoying a large amount of support (at least domestically). Yet, you are still bitter and consumed with such hatred (a hatred that was planted in you by the very people you support) that you just couldn't pass up an opportunity to make ignorant and insulting remarks about McCain and Palin.

Although I don't know you personally, I can say without a doubt that John McCain has more integrity in his pinky finger than you do in your entire body. I'm certain that even at his "geriatric" age, as you put it, he is still far more intelligent than you could ever hope to be. The guy spent 5 1/2 years in a Viet Cong Prison Camp and willingly stayed behind to be further tortured and humiliated rather than leave before fellow soldiers that had been there longer than him. You probably couldn't even last a single night in a Motel 6 without complaining!

As for Sarah Palin, I'm sure her success probably makes you jealous. Democrats are so obsessed with this woman because she represents everything they hate- a successful, church-going woman that doesn't abort her "imperfect" child and actually has the nerve to have five children. Your tongue-twisted comment is ironic considering your obvious support for a man who relies on speeches written by other people and fed to him through a teleprompter. Have you seen the occasions when the teleprompter didn't work? He sounded like a bumbling idiot. He needs a teleprompter just to introduce a new appointee, and I'm not even exaggerating. When it went down, he couldn't even continue. When he is put on the spot he makes George W. Bush sound like Winston Churchill.

Anyway, you clearly buy into the stereotype that Sara Palin's accent and plainspoken-ness means she's stupid. Well, I think her achievements prove otherwise. And when she doesn't have a bunch of McCain staffers telling her what she can and cannot talk about, she is extremely articulate and very relatable. But you'd never admit that because your bias prevents it.

I apologize for the rant, I just felt the need to address a problem that has become an epidemic in this country (and especially this website). And that is the blatant disregard for civility, respect and maturity, especially when discussing politics. And while it certainly takes place on both sides of the aisle, it is clear to me that the rhetoric and unfounded attacks are far more prevalent on the left. And now that their favorite whipping boy George W. Bush is no longer in the public spotlight, they have to turn their attention to people like McCain and Palin (ie: the ridiculous Vanity Fair hit piece on Palin).

As for the topic itself... I'm not so sure that race or behind-the-scene pressure from the black community is the reason that Colin Powell chose to endorse Obama. At least I will not believe that without some evidence rather than pure speculation. Rather, I suspect that like millions of other Americans, Powell simply drank the Obama Kool Aid and bought into the whole "change" and "hope" crap. He is only now waking up to the reality of what is going on. As someone who has, or had, a tremendous amount of respect for Powell, I don't think I can ever forgive him for his endorsement regardless of whether it had any real impact or not. Because it was certainly timed and coordinated to have impact, and motive is what really matters to me.
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