Michael Jacksons Ghost ?, page 15

reply to post by bagari

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So shadows can bend around walls interesting...

No way it's a shadow.

Also how do you explain the chandelier as well?

[edit on 5-7-2009 by NoJoker13]

reply to post by dgtempe

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Weird! We posted that at the same time!
Spooky indeed! I dont ordinarily dwell on these things
but that was out there! Good stuff!

reply to post by dodadoom

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THAT shadow was Michael. I know it was- its almost as if Alfred Hitchcock was in your bathroom....most of us would undeniably recognize his sillouette (sp)



Very strange for sure.

reply to post by bagari

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Good demonstration attempt! I'd rather leave it a that.

I'm kind of a big fan of MJ but seeing his ghost or any ghost would be just too creepy for me anyway!

Problem solve then!

reply to post by dgtempe

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I surmize that he was not ready to die(like anyone really is)
from what I have gathered about ghosts,
maybe he refuses to leave just yet.
Maybe he will not rest until his death is solved in everyones minds!

Strange things happen in this world, that much I do know. Thank you!





[edit on 5-7-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by NoJoker13

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The chandelier is being hit by the same light as the one that the person passes, to create the shadow in the exact same general location as the chandelier. That doesn't seem MORE logical than a ghost? Or are you also claiming that it really is a ghost chandelier? Because that's what it seems you are doing.

To the rest:
It's not bending around walls, it's going right along the far wall you see. The person is walking diagonally past a light, the light is waist high, which is why the best defined part of the shadow is the chest and up, notice how the lower body and "feet" are insubstantial, while the upper body is well defined. Because the "lower body" is just the highly polished floor, reflecting the shadow of the upper body.

The far wall acts as both a projector screen, and a light source for the long hallway. The wall is one bright color and big; The shadow gets PROJECTED, which makes it bigger. The man who passed the light, was also much closer to it than the wall, making the shadow very dark. Since most of the light in the hallway is coming from the far room, when the shadow passes the big wall, it momentarily blocks out the light that was lighting the hallway. This displacement, of course, follows the shadow across the big wall, giving the appearance of a lower body.

Notice how the ghost only appears in between the door frame of the small room. If you dispute this, prove it somehow. The gif's I made on page 9 show the shadow's hand being the first to show up, inside the room only.

Do you people who claim to see specifics like his hair, hat, and the way he moves think that the people who say it's a shadow are doing so because they don't believe in ghosts? Do you think all ghosts are insubstantial and see-through? Are you not pigeon holing yourself by claiming it's a ghost 100%? Which for all you know, real ghosts could look as physically real as you do, or not be able to show up on digital camcorders, period.

I'm really trying to understand, is it a mourning thing? Does him being a ghost make you feel safer about death? Does wandering this plane after living it your whole life seem enjoyable? Not really.. for me, does it seem like torture? Also not really, for me, just boring after you travel everywhere. Do you know the layout of the house? What if that's one long hallway with no doors, he just decided to walk through the two walls of the hallway, oh, except it only appears inside the door frame of the far room.

Please, instead of just claiming things, discuss. What EXACTLY do you see that I don't. I certainly don't see any feet, hat, or hair. Why do none of you comment on the tri-pod light at the end of the hall. Isn't that a pretty big indication that there's a strong light source around, which can project a big shadow?

reply to post by Tartarspoon

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WTF Thats Hell Wierd

reply to post by Tartarspoon

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I haven't read thru the entire thread yet, but I did watch the video and saw the shadow. To me, it seemed like it was just a member of the crew walking in front of one of the lights casting a shadow. Could be anything I suppose but logic tells me that it's just a crew member.

reply to post by sugarmonkey

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You share the same assessment of the video as a few others in this thread. One side is saying its a shadow of a living person in the far room which we never see . His/her shadow is being projected onto a wall with lights that we assume are present and turned on.
The other side is going on the belief its Michael or possibly another spirit based on the belief it looks like Micheal and walks like Micheal. Some believe its a spirit because it doesn't lose its shape and height as it moves across the room, it has a 3d quality to it.
There you have it, one side is going on logic and the other, belief.

reply to post by bagari

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i drew a diagram alot like yours on page 10 of this thread

Originally posted by jwstarry
First I want to start by saying that I am a HUGH believer in the paranormal but I have to say that this is not paranormal. Others in this post have already explained what it is but it still might be hard for some to grasp so i made a very quick and crude MS paint diagram to try and show it.

X = lighting source that creates the shadow
O = person that creates the shadow and direction of travel
the square = the chandelier that casts the shadow
A = the fireplace
the triangle = the camera that shot the video

what is throwing most people off is the fact that the wall with the fireplace is angled towards the doorway and that keeps the shadow from elongating like most are expecting it to.

I hope this clears it up for some but for me that is what is happening without a doubt

reply to post by Tartarspoon

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I never said I didn't believe in ghosts, I just don't think this is a ghost.

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