Please try and keep your quotes and mine sorted, it helps when replying.
Originally posted by BLV12
Originally posted by rich23
That would be where they boarded the vessel by force, seized its contents and kidnapped those on board. Did you miss that part?
Aint it odd how those pushing the anti-Israeli agenda, always ignore other possibilities? It's always 'one way' with them.
Sorry... did the Israeli forces
not do those things? Are Cynthia McKinney and her colleagues NOT currently in an Israeli jail? Are there
other alternatives I haven't considered? Perhaps Aliens are to blame?
Originally posted by BLV12
Originally posted by rich23
Who cares? This was in international waters.
Maybe you should care, if your going to continue pushing the anti-Israeli agenda. Because if it is the case as I suspect, then it is their own fault.
The Israelis are doing illegal things in international waters. You're trying to justify their actions. The reason I say "who cares" is because,
whatever their justifications, their actions are piratical.
Originally posted by rich23
Yes, just like George Galloway's convoy a few months ago which was ambushed by Israeli thugs and equipment destroyed and convoy members beaten up
while the local (I think Egyptian) police stood by with their hands in their pockets.
Originally posted by BLV12
So now your next allegation is the Egyptian police are in on it with the Israeli defence force?
I'm just quoting eyewitness accounts of what happened. Perhaps the people on that humanitarian aid convoy beat themselves up. Perhaps the police
who stood by were off duty. Who knows?
Here's a Times article about the attack.
Here's an eyewitness account.
Egyptian police are obviously not used to confronting stroppy westerners in such large numbers and so they retreated while a second wave was sent
in. Hundreds of riot squad officers, wearing visors, carrying shields and batons tumbled in to one of the two car parks in a large town centre
compound in the port of al Arish and set about the unarmed peace activists.
.....
Suddenly the area was plunged into darkness by a powercut which coincided with a brick, bottle and stone attacks on the convoy members by youths in
their late teens and 20s. Seconds before the lights went out some convoy members saw a couple of unidentified men scrawling anti-Hamas slogans on
lorries.
The lights remained out for some minutes, during which time the vicious attack was unleashed - the whole proceedings failed to warrant one single
Egyptian police officer to swing his baton into action.
Those who had wielded their sticks with such a passion before, stood impassively by and watched the onslaught.
Originally posted by BLV12
Originally posted by rich23
This is one of the single stupidest things I've ever seen on ATS. And that's something. It also shows that the author simply cannot
conceive that people might want simply to help people in Gaza. Oh no, it's all to make Israel look bad. Well guess what? To anyone
outside the US media, (which, like its government seems to be pathologically incapable of standing up to the Israelis) Israel alreadly looks
bad. Every peace worker killed, every olive grove bulldozed, every small child shot by an Israeli sniper... remember the t-shirts the Israeli
army were wearing, the ones with a picture of a pregnant arab woman with a target on her and a caption referring to a "2-for-1" kill?
Nah, one of the stupidest thing's ever on ATS is the continued unjustified anti-Israeli crap people like you keep posting. There is a lot of stuff to
be justifiably angry about, but you have chosen an issue which is the fault of those who tried to force their way through a military force.
The attentive reader will note that this is not a reply to any of the points I've raised. This issue is one of many, and they are all linked.
Israel is attempting genocide on the Palestinians and people like you want them to be able to carry it out.
Originally posted by BLV12
So because the people in Gaza need supplies, that justifies ignoring the presence of the Israeli defence force and the work they are doing to provide
security to the state of Israel from Arab and Iranian backed terror groups and militias which love to launch countless rocket attacks into Israeli
suburbs?
I'd suggest you take a careful reasoned look at the way your media reports the issue. Studies have shown that US reporting is very, very biased
indeed. Not only do rocket attacks get more airtime than all the Palestinian deaths (which outstrip Israeli deaths by a huge factor), but often,
Israeli deaths are reported more than once.
You're just a propaganda victim. You could help it, but you won't.
Originally posted by BLV12
The next time there is road side alcohol testing on your way home, try and drive through instead of stopping. See what happens. Same principle here.
If you can understand why you would stop road side alcohol testing, you should understand that what these people did was wrong.
This is such a wrong-headed analogy it defies rational comment beyond that the people in the convoy were trying to save lives.
You're coming across as someone who loves living in a police state, you know. Obey ze rules or it's ze cooler for you, Johnny Englishmann...
Originally posted by BLV12
It was only a matter of time before at some stage in your post you would bring up such totally irrelevant nonsense.
You started a thread about some activists and whatnot trying to land in Gaza but being stopped by the Israeli navy. You then realise you will loose
such an argument where you take the side of the activists, so you attempt to blur the argument with this.
Typical of leftists.
My, your ignorance knows no bounds. Have you any idea who Paul Craig Roberts is?
He was assistant Treasury Secretary to Ronald Reagan. What kind
of a bleeding-heart liberal does that make him?
Calling PCR a bleeding-heart liberal is fantastic. Thank you very much for that, you couldn't have shot yourself in the foot better if I were there
to guide your hand.
The article I wanted to post originally was his, but I used the other article because ATS makes you use the title of the article, and PCR's title
wasn't so snappy. So far from bringing it in late, it was there from the first. You might not see the relevance of the comments, but that doesn't
surprise me.
Originally posted by BLV12
Doesn't matter if they publicised it to the outer reaches of the solar system, the fact remains they did not have clearance from the Israeli Defence
Force to enter the area, an area which is technically a war zone with ongoing military operations.
Please provide evidence to back this claim. Against whom did Israel declare war? If it's technically a war zone, who recognises it? I guess it
might still be a war zone from the time the Israeli Air Force attacked the USS Liberty...
Originally posted by BLV12
If fighting had broken out and they were caught in the middle and killed or injured, you'd be moaning that the Israeli defence force targeted them on
purpose.
What, fighting between the Israeli and Palestinian navies? What fantasy world are you living in?
This exchange reveals that you simply can't think straight:
Originally posted by BLV12
But nobody will complain about them being shot by ISAF troops.
Originally posted by rich23
In the event, I think you'll find that people do complain when trigger-happy troops kill. It's just that the US doesn't listen, or report very
much on the subject.
So you think it's perfectly fine to attempt to run a military road block in a war zone? 
Even the mildly inattentive readership that characterises so much of ATS might notice that I didn't say it was ok to run a roadbolock. I said that
US troops killing people at roadblocks goes under-reported, in the US at any rate. What your excuse for making such an assumption is, I don't
know.
God, leftists make me sick.
Most so called "leftists" have no idea what cause they are supporting, they just go with the flow, with what's currently the "in" thing to bash
and moan over.
First, I'm not a leftist. Second, the facts are on my side. Readers will note that I can, if pressed, back up any assertion I make with reference
to facts. You don't bother. You also cannot follow the simplest logic, and leap to conclusions that are completely erroneous.
That sounds like a classic case of
right wing
authoritarianism to me.
Of the observable traits in the article, you've furnished ample evidence of possessing several, most notably absolutism, faulty reasoning, and hatred
towards outgroups.
There's also the callousness suggested by the obvious inference from your posts:
you don't care if the people of Gaza are starved by the Israeli
government. The idea that two wrongs don't make a right obviously passed you by somewhere.
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