In my opinion Crop Circles are man made, but not hand made!
They are being formed by HAARP.

No doubt many are bruv.

Groups of Uni' students are only one manner, as was exemplified earlier in the thread, as much as curious folk or film crews tremping for Euro's or idiots trying to make fools of others to whatever agenda etc.

Same as, such can be discerned only by stem analysis and local soils, HAARP will leave cellular/microcellualr and DNA damage which indicates that tech' as modus operandi to lay in complex patterns quickly, but analysable evidence will be different to that of true formations.

All that's necessary is a receiver grid laid out and HAARP can replicate these to a simple DOS generated graphic of complex design, i've no doubt at all, well mentioned.

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Originally posted by DeltaPan
Same as, such can be discerned only by stem analysis and local soils, HAARP will leave cellular/microcellualr and DNA damage which indicates that tech' as modus operandi to lay in complex patterns quickly, but analysable evidence will be different to that of true formations.

And is that HAARP connection provable or is it another opinion like "all crop circles are man-made"?

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by DeltaPan
Same as, such can be discerned only by stem analysis and local soils, HAARP will leave cellular/microcellualr and DNA damage which indicates that tech' as modus operandi to lay in complex patterns quickly, but analysable evidence will be different to that of true formations.

And is that HAARP connection provable or is it another opinion like "all crop circles are man-made"?

My humble opinion of course.

I hadn't considered that before but knowing what i do about HAARP, when mentioned, it made a lot of sense. [I've considered more localised energy emitting device methods but fakes are getting more complex in overnight manifestation for a while now, that's why it made sense to me, HAARP is completely remote and would be a lot quicker with no risk of aircraft being spotted etc.]

Paxus.


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How can this one crop circle provided evidence that they are man made? If that's so then every crop circle would be consider evidence, until somebody discovers they were made by another being(s).

Originally posted by MentalMe
How can this one crop circle provided evidence that they are man made? If that's so then every crop circle would be consider evidence, until somebody discovers they were made by another being(s).

QFE

Originally posted by DeltaPan
But true formations have certain elements in creation which cannot be faked, very different to what all fake crop formations leave as obvious indicator they are Human made and that is not something Anyone, sceptic or believer or complete refuter can know just by looking at a ruddy picture or video, one has to visit the sites and conduct proper lab' tests from samples of whatever plants were affected and lain down as well as soils.

Nobody can actually prove any example fake or real simply by looking at a photo.

It is just people asserting opposite viewpoints, nobody can prove anything on a forum thread, only if you are privy to science research at high level or find how to access necessary science equipment and go get samples yourself, can anybody actually know.

Or of course if there is some local news item or something about the idiots who were seen faking them, which is common enough.

I don't know, i cannot tell from any picture and i've trouble defending or refuting any photo' or vid' material of crop formations.

They are accessed by scientists who do take stem and soil samples and they can tell if they are fake or plasma generated or manmade EM genertated for that matter, now it's been mentioned, as that'd leave similar but different traces which a decent science institutes lab' can analyse and tell, fake or real phenomenon.

I am pretty sure if somebody bothers to run a data miner it'd trawl up something referencing/indicating some results of testing and the plasma effects to these crop plants in a few formations among test groups but they will be old if there, not likely current data.

It has been realised how important these real ones are and they are only few in number among many fakes.

I hate fakes myself.


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Originally posted by 0nce 0nce

Originally posted by RiotComing
I'm sorry but you bring absolutely zero evidence that these formations are man-made at all.

I'm sorry, but you bring absolutely zero evidence that these formations are alien-made.

I have SUPPORTING evidence, that they are man-made, but I don't have PROOF. Yet

If you want proof YouTube or Google videos of people making them. I remember seeing specials on TV's where they followed around a group of crop circle makers.

I thought it's been pretty well known that people (or artists) make these things. As said, they're artists, they get off on making huge works that many people will see.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a lot of circles are man-made.

However, there isn't any proof.

Let's consider it this way... I am skeptical of the claim that circles are man-made.

As it stands right now, they are a mystery...

As to Zorgon's excerpts with people talking about being paid to make them... hmm... They're lying.

It is a viscious double-standard we are looking at here. I relate a story about how 30 African children witnessed a craft land at a school and how these weird looking creatures walk out of it and the SAME PEOPLE that are here talking about how these circles are DEFINATELY AND WITHOUT A DOUBT man-made are the same ones saying that those children were ALL LIARS, out to make a buck, or some other such nonsense.

Point of the matter is, nobody has ever been caught in the act... and as a land surveyor myself, I'm here to tell you that simply laying that crop down in such a manner is no small task (no matter how many circles you want to paint over a crop to show how "simple" it really is).

Not to mention the money you would need to begin the endeavour. Surveying and engineering equipment/software will run you at least 15,000 dollars. and that is to BEGIN to perpetuate a hoax such as this.

I'll say alien and I don't give a damn what people say, because as of yet, they are unproved.

i believe they are man made but when i see one that is so complex i always wonder

Here in the Midwest there have been rashes of Meth makers stealing anhydrous ammonia.This is a gas used for fertilizer and somehow used to make speed.So it is in big pressure tanks ,which are parked in field preperatory to use the next day.The thieves puncture the tank since the valves have been locked and extract a small ammount like in a thremos,the rest is wasted,it really pisses off all concerned.The immediate crop is over fertilized,the rest gets none,the tank is ruined and more meth is produced.And a stinky toxic mess for days and days the smell lingers.iAnyway,people have been watching like a hawk what goes on.With the cattle rustling and metal stealing,fuel rip offs,etc We watch each other's backs.Can't be that much different in GB.They have mad cow,which means no sneaking cattle around,lots of monitoring. People knowing each other's business for survival.We don't sit around all day and night staring at the screen.I'm prob the most computer literate of my country circle of friends and I'm typing with two fingers.I'll be back outside working soon enough,with a headlight until midnight.It's just how I roll.Someone is up and aware at any hour.People who can tell half the vehicles by sound,BTW.Then there are the bedroom community folks.These live out here but drive to the city to work.These are out jogging and bike riding,again at all hours.Dog walking.I forgot to mention,we take trespass VERY seriously.With milk prices fluctuating so much no farmer can afford ANY loss in crops,and will seriously jack up anyone who decides to destroy property.Let's say you'll be mighty glad if the cops show up to save you if you're caught out in the field in your muddy SUV.And if from the area,they might just not help you out.If a farmer was to make a contract with some plankster and they pulled it off and s/he got paid a bunch of money how long do you think they would be able to keep it to themselves?It's not like the fraud 9-11 where the heavies might just kill your entire family to maintain cover,allegedly.They'd get a thousand questions from a hundred relatives and friends,including people who would see through lies,like their ma.There is really one clear explanation that reasonably satisfies all the parameters.Not planksters nor outer space beings.

Why don't they try analyzing / scanning the crop for metal or extraterrestrial materal?

Originally posted by demonseed
It took almost a month to make. There was a crew of 30 people and they had about 2 or 3 helicopters flying overhead radio'ing people down below.
It looks cool, but its nothing in comparison to what you linked.

Incompetence from that team does not mean that other teams must be as incompetent as this was.

There are several company logo crop circles and none was made in so much time.

To me, they used the wrong approach to doing that Firefox logo, just that.

PS: please avoid calling stupid (or any thing like that) to other people, that behaviour, as you should know, is not welcome on ATS.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce

Originally posted by MentalMe
Why don't they try analyzing / scanning the crop for metal or extraterrestrial materal?

Because there is no such thing as "extraterrestrial materal".

"Extraterrestrial material" does not exist, ay.

Dude. Do you realise how many tonnes of "extraterrestrial material" fall on this planet every year, every decade, century.....

Terra gains mass every year because of it matey.


I wish i was so blissful, sometimes.

[Crop formations aren't likely to indicate similar to NTC, Non Terran Craft crash or landing sites, particles could well be found which are not supposed to be in a local soil sample to formation site for a number of reasons but it's not that scientists would be looking for, it's tell tale signs of high energy effects to soil structure topically relative to nearby samples which show no high energy affectation, if certain indicators are found in stems of affected crops the soil will show somethng dfferent but corroborative to high energy effect. IMHO, of course.]

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What if the reason for the delay is to hold our attention? A familiar plot development motif is to provide suspense, and not put all your eggs in one basket as it were. If they are aliens behind it, they will know we are watching - they have a captive audience waiting for the next instalment.

You are reaching for the sky and grasp - - - air

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We have evidence of stretched and bent nodes.

And we have the crop "investigators" stating firmly that streched nodes can happen in natural ways but "in this case it can be ruled out".
What natural ways are there that is ruled out? Are they more believeable than aliens?

I would argue that we have tons more evidence of ET activity than we do of people coming in with boards strapped to their feet!

What you have are assumptions based on some facts, disregarding other facts, misinterpreting yet other facts.

You mention orange lights. Yes they might be a form of ball lightning or plasma. But that doesn't make it ET.
At most it makes it truly amazing and shows that we still have a lot to learn.

Nature clearly have been responsible for simple round crop circles, but when it comes to patterns and intrigate geometry we are dealing with humans. There are no evidence to the contrary - only claims and assumptions.

But those ball lightnings and plasma balls - we should really concentrate on them rather than the other junk.

Can you explain how a person can etch such a large dimension while being unable to view his own work, and so quickly in 4 days!?

I personally think you are a left wing conspiracy theorist.

I'm just playing low, stating that you have wacko ideas.


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