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Senate bill fines people refusing health coverage

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posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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First I read your reply.

And then your stated location.

You know, I have to agree with you - the part about being lost anyway ...






posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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I only have 5 1/2 years till i can go on medicare.
Till then i will keep going to the VA. then i will use my medicare at the VA and have to pay nothing even then.

The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families,

How poor i only get $985 a month disability.

I wonder how the government will get the illegals to pay for insurance.
I don' believe Americans should have to pay taxes for the illegals to get subsidies for insurance.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 01:59 PM
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yes I did use google. And I have yet to find a credible site. I got the Inquirer.

So if it is so easy to find, do me a favor to find one for me please.

hey, if this is true, I will be angry like everyone else. I wont' argue with that.

If it is true.....


See I thought we were going to fascist national healthcare? And all getting forced medical care and vaccinations? so if that is the case, how could they find people for not having health care?





[edit on 3-7-2009 by nixie_nox]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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This should be right up GOP alley.

After the health insurance legislation goes through, you have a choice of private or gov't health insurance. Or you can get subsidized. (like the Mitt plan)

But if you choose none of these options, you get fined 1k.

The cost of hospitlization for the uninsured each year to taxpayers is 48 billion, or 1100 a person.

Now the GOP here are usually the first to gripe against socialist medicine because they don't feel their tax dollars should cover other people.

But guess what, your already paying for those who need hospitalization when they don't have insurance.

What the government is doing is recruiting costs of those who use the system who are not insured and can't pay. But now they have to pay. I thought that was every GOP dream.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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www.google.com...

From that AP article:

"The proposal calls for a $750 annual fee on employers for each full-time worker not offered coverage through their job. The fee would be set at $375 for part-time workers. Companies with fewer than 25 employees would be exempt. The fee was forecast to generate $52 billion over 10 years, money the government would use to help provide subsidies to those who cannot afford insurance."

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not quite the $1000 per person billed to each person that I heard on the radio, but we'll see if the legislation remains as is, with no further riders and hidden suprises



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Lhuhikwdwoo
reply to post by nixie_nox
 


www.google.com...

From that AP article:

"The proposal calls for a $750 annual fee on employers for each full-time worker not offered coverage through their job. The fee would be set at $375 for part-time workers. Companies with fewer than 25 employees would be exempt. The fee was forecast to generate $52 billion over 10 years, money the government would use to help provide subsidies to those who cannot afford insurance."

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not quite the $1000 per person billed to each person that I heard on the radio, but we'll see if the legislation remains as is, with no further riders and hidden suprises



So whats to stop a business from offering the worst coverage in the world just to comply with the law?



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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No idea myself, from personal experience I know my employer will probably take the fines rather than deal with a $300 to $400 copay each month for insurance that doesn't cover dental or optical and had a $150 deductible last time I checked



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by MysterE


It is a shame you have that impression of Americans, and I assure that those types do not make up the majority. The vast majority of Americans are good, kind hearted people. Please don't fall for the generalizations you see in the MSM.

Reguards

-E-


Well I live in New York City and I really can't say you're right. Though once I leave the cities, it's a lot more nicer and happier and everyone helps each other.

NYC simply has no love, no happiness... no humanity. It's filled with drug addicted teenagers who grow up feeling like they'll rule the world and F*** anyone in the way. These kids all get either into legal problems or low end jobs. Some, like me, are lucky enough to leave the city for college and make a living. The city is simply a very sad place. Racism is everywhere, respect for life is little if any, and very rarely are there nice people. Sometimes you're lucky and you get someone like that guy who saved someone on the subway. But most of the time you're not and you get no good people.

It's so hateful and annoying. I just want to leave and I'm so happy I am. The country is so much better. hell, not even the country. Just not NYC. I find everyone is nicer on the East coast out of the city.

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I endorse your statement

[edit on 3-7-2009 by Gorman91]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Essentially, the government is going to charge you for exisiting. There are many people who choose not to have health coverage, and that should be their right.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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My attitude toward misbehaving teenagers changed a few years ago. Watch one of them go from mischievous child, to sullen teenager,to drug addict ,to dead corpse before hitting twenty,you realize the deck has really been stacked against the survival of kids. This is the case everywhere in this country not just New York. Still ,people with children should just abandon New York and the surrounding areas. Montreal would probably be a better place for the people who want to raise children in a sophisticated urban setting.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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If they fine me, I will pay them with my own currency that I deem has value.


It doesn't matter if you can't afford it. You can't afford anything now, hasn't stopped money from pouring out of your accounts like there's no tomorrow.

They'll stop when you have just enough money to by water and bread. The rest of your "luxuries" will be provided my IMF subsidized programs paid for by you in bi weekly installments.

You can view it as a financial "smart meter' , the State can shut off any one of your necessities at will if you fail to pay your bills.



Oh and forget about being able to register your car, or get a driver's license without your proof of health insurance.

This is a Global resolution that isn't targeted at "fat and happy" Americans who want to hold on to their SUV's and Credit cards. So don't expect anything to come down the pipe aimed at making your life better.


You are a money giving cow, when you get too old or fall off the tree, you are easily replaced.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Here's another excerpt from the article. This is just another way to extort money out of Americans. Why don't they fine the insurance carriers for not covering sick people?



The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years.

www.breitbart.com...


[edit on 2-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]


OH goodie,

If I can't afford Insurance how can I afford the fine?



[edit on 073131p://bFriday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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They will not replace us ;the rest of the world is waking up to the fact that America is a huge honey trap.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Here's another excerpt from the article. This is just another way to extort money out of Americans. Why don't they fine the insurance carriers for not covering sick people?



The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years.

www.breitbart.com...


[edit on 2-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]


Now that makes me more angry than I already was! Swimming in a pool of sharks wont be fun!

LOL. Looks like the US government seriously considers extortion and racketeering to help to finance itself.

Is "Capone" an anglo-saxon name?"

Um, I don't think so.

How about "Obama?"

No. definitely not.


Does this "health plan" looks foreign to you?
Ahahahahah . . .



posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Here's another excerpt from the article. This is just another way to extort money out of Americans. Why don't they fine the insurance carriers for not covering sick people?



The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years.

www.breitbart.com...


[edit on 2-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]


I'll add my voice to this mess and I couldn't be bothered reading past the first page.

I have bolded the section in the quoted comment that says it all.

RAISE.
For what?



posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 05:18 AM
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I talked about this with my manager at work yesterday..he's teloing me, this si government subsidised. In other words, this health insurance scam.wont cost $400 a month... HE also says, its agood idea, because lots of people go to the hospitol, get billed, then skip town, dont pay, ect. HE thinks ths is why this health insurance crap problem has started. Hospitols are loosing money, and thier tried of people skimping out on the bill...especially when its someone who has NO insurace, acks up a $80,000 bill or more. Yes, tehy may put a lean on that persons home, for example, but even thier home may not be enough to pay off the full debt...



posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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Government subsidised..the governemnt will ensure, i guess those of us enlisted, by law now, Match us so to speak... i dotn know how true this is, but wnated to throw this in the convo. Government knows not everyone can afford health insurance, hence forth, the subsidise.



posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 06:15 AM
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People that can't afford health care can somehow afford government fines?


Well, I know I cannot afford either!! I just hate looking at what the future looks like in the US for folks like myslef. I live with my 75 yr old mom - so that we both can live somewhat comfortably. But I only bring in around $400 every 2 weeks and pay the utility bills and food each month. Mom pays the rent. Should something happen to either one of us - we would be screwed!!

I have major medical issues that just do not get adequent treatment because of no insurance and they only get worse with time. If I could get medical insurance for the price I get car insurance for ($68/monthly) ok. But that is not possible!!

I do not know what I will end up doing when all this goes into effect. Disappearing seems to be a real option. Hell, if something would happen to my mom, I cannot even afford an apartment on what I am making!!

It all just makes me shake my head in disbelief.........




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