Senate bill fines people refusing health coverage

Senate bill fines people refusing health coverage

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They are pushing healthcare reform HARD, and it will happen under some form. In it's current form YOU will be REQUIRED to have health coverage or YOU WILL BE FINED.



This is worse then socialized health care. What freedom will they come after next.

-E-

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[edit on 2-7-2009 by MysterE]

What if I'm an immigrant and can't afford it?

How are people going to afford that? I have a neighbor rite now who is about to have a baby . She just lost her state medical because they said her husband makes too much money.

She only works about 10 hours a week now with the job market here.

They can barly pay for their 400 a month apartment! How can they pay a 1,000 fine, or health care even. They do not have it. This is NUTS.

Another one of those, make to much to get help, but can not make enough to pay for everything , but it will fall on deaf ears like everything else when it comes to government.

Also want to add: Requiring car insurance did NOT lower the rates at all! Think this will?

[edit on 2-7-2009 by amatrine]

Living in Canada, we do not have this problem, because we have universal health care here... I think that forcing people (even those who can't afford it) to get insurance is a form of facism from the people elected. When will that domination end?

Laws that are manmade should be intelligent in their structure. Health care is a must, for everyone. A life is a life, no matter what social ranking you have, no matter how much (or not) money you have.

The root of the problem is the money system. It should not exist. We put values in the wrong place, what a shame...

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Because Americans do not value life, as you can see.

From my observation, Americans hate the old, kill the unborn, scorn at the mentally ill, disgust at the fat, scrim at the anorexic, and in general are simply hateful people to life.


None the less, Universal healthcare can work in Canada probably because of thew significantly lower population. 300 million people are hard to afford when they're all fat, lazy, and the nation is in mountains of debt.

I am a Socialist in riches, and a scorn capitalist in times like now.

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If people where really conscious of what life is, we wouldn't have this problem. So, unconsciousness is probably the real problem here.

These Nazi bastards are really pushing their luck and pissing people off big time.

Mark my words, it's not going to be long before people are pushed beyond their breaking point and start killing politicians!

This country is going to fall into violence soon. ATSer's, please prepare yourselves.

Well I guess I'll be one of the first to be fined. Oh well I really couldn't care less about a government run health care nazi regime. Thanks to these morons I have no official job and nearly completely out of money. So they want me to buy their health care plan. All I can say is "Stick it where the sun don't shine and piss off.

Yea I can see this going over really well.

They can shove it as far as I'm concerned. This fascist crap is going to come to an end sooner or later.

Star and flag from me, but, disappointed you beat me to this topic.

I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read this article. Who are most likely to not purchase health care coverage? Those with the least income or who already have mountains of medical bills. It is not those who can, easily, afford insurance premiums.

Let me get this straight, the "government" is going to fine me for "not" spending my money on the largest scam (insurance) in the history of America? :loloes this not reak of the stench of insurance lobby money?

Oh, but, what about the promises to help the middle class? No tax increases for those making less than $250,000? Hope and change and all that malarky? I just can't believe so many people bought into the hype.

The only answer is to keep the government out of it. Let me decided who can provide the best coverage for my money. Let me decide to change my carrier if I feel I'm getting screwed.

The problem has come about by the cycle of the health care providers trying to screw the insurance companies and the insurance companies trying to screw the health care providers. Back and forth and back and forth. Meanwhile, the patient is the one suffering the backlash.

It is not right for a hospital to charge an insurance company $10 for one aspirin. It is not right for the insurance company to tell a health care provider what medications or procedures are acceptable.

However, the solution is for the market to determine the norms. If an insurance company is not providing the coverage they agreed, the patient should change companies. Those who lose all of their customers will fail. If a health care provider does not provide quality, reasonably priced services, the customer needs to seek treatment, elsewhere. The provider will either change or fail.

I hate to keep harping on this, but, the consumer needs to educate themselves. Cheaper is not always better.

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Here's another excerpt from the article. This is just another way to extort money out of Americans. Why don't they fine the insurance carriers for not covering sick people?



[edit on 2-7-2009 by In nothing we trust]

This is so terrible.

The democrats in power would make Stalin jealous.


They found a way to take the negative aspects of our current plan and expanded on them to create a plan that will only further hurt those who could not afford health care before.

If they want everyone to have health coverage, why don't they just create a single payer system like every other wealthy developed nation, instead of shafting us with this piss-poor excuse for a plan. It's fairly obvious that those in Washington have quite a few friends in the insurance industry, when they come up with an idea as imbecilic as this.

First they wanted to go after business to fine them for not offering health care to their employees now they want to fine people? like I say morons is what we have in government this days and to think that we put them in power.

I wonder who is pulling the strings on these morons for this change in the bill.

It is a shame you have that impression of Americans, and I assure that those types do not make up the majority. The vast majority of Americans are good, kind hearted people. Please don't fall for the generalizations you see in the MSM.

Reguards

-E-

Education does not mean intelligence, these bafoons prove that theory.

How do they truly think they can raise any money by fineing those that can not afford their scam insurance which does not cover anything but the bare essentials anyway. Families laid off, reduced income for many that are working, food and shelter are the first priorities, Car insurance may be mandatory, but more and more are letting it lapse because they can't afford the premiums now much less add on a mandatory premium for more insurance that will not pay for what is truly needed or will require yoj to wait till you die before it is authorized.

$1000 fine would be equal to half the premiums for yearly coverage. So what; I don't have the money to pay an extra $2000 a year now, do these bafoons really think I'm going to pop out $1000 for a nazi fine; not in this lifetime.

I paid attention, I paid off credit cards and chopped them up. Everything else is paid for, and have been stocking up over the last couple of years. i have enough to pay all current necessity bills, buy groceries, and retain auto insurance. but thats it; no extra for any more taxes or mandatory scams.

So I take it that when the police pull you over for speeding now they will ask for license, registration, proof of insurance and proof of medical insurance?

And the democrats (government) is going to enforce this how? The same way they stop illegal aliens? Fines will raise $36 billion, that's absolute bull#.

After the first thousand fines the same morons that put the democrats in power will be coming for them with a hangman's noose.

hope & change and you will buy medical insurance or I'll fine your ass $1000, yeah, when monkeys fly out of my butt.

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Why not give free houses to everyone? i mean, people MUST live somewhere right? and the cost of houses and even apartment costs these days have skyrocketed. So why shouldn't everyone have a "free" house?

A life is a life, and without a home people can get sick for working too much to have a home for their children. So why not "free" houses?....

This is stupid. You can't squeeze blood from a rock. If people can't afford health insurance, how the hell can they afford to pay a 1000 dollar fine? I am uninsured, and I sure as hell couldn't afford to pay the fine. If they sent me one, I would seriously stand out in front of my local police station and burn the damn thing. What will they do? I don't have the money. They could arrest me, but then I would be sitting in prison watching cable TV and eating food at the cost of you, the taxpayers, who until then, had never had to pay for me before. I do work a job - its just minimum wage. What do you expect me to do? I can't afford healthcare, that's why I don't have it. I am this close >| |< to snapping right now. I want to see someone try to fine me. I will #ing flip out.

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the Canadian healthcare perfect?.... Pleeease...

If the Canadian healthcare was so perfect, why is it that Canadians can die waiting for an MRI scan, or and X-ray?


sadbastards.wordpress.com...

But hey, this barely happens right?.... then why is canadian private healthcare BOOMING?... Isn't the Canadian "free" Socialized healthcare perfect?...


www.foxnews.com...


Oooh, but I forgot...ALL of the Liberal media proclaims that the Canadian healthcare system is perfect, and better than that of the U.S.

I guess that must be the reason why even Canadian politicians come to the U.S. to receive medical care....



Oh but wait, even back in 1999 Canadian politicians were calling for an expansion privatized healthcare clinics...


www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...

Here is another example of the so wonderful Canadian healthcare system.

Canadian Survivor


www.city-journal.org...

More lies from Moore
BY SALLY PIPES

Friday, July 6th 2007, 4:00 AM

Be Our Guest
In "Sicko," Michael Moore uses a clip of my appearance earlier this year on "The O'Reilly Factor" to introduce a segment on the glories of Canadian health care.

Moore adores the Canadian system. I do not.

I am a new American, but I grew up and worked for many years in Canada. And I know the health care system of my native country much more intimately than does Moore. There's a good reason why my former countrymen with the money to do so either use the services of a booming industry of illegal private clinics, or come to America to take advantage of the health care that Moore denounces.

Government-run health care in Canada inevitably resolves into a dehumanizing system of triage, where the weak and the elderly are hastened to their fates by actuarial calculation. Having fought the Canadian health care bureaucracy on behalf of my ailing mother just two years ago - she was too old, and too sick, to merit the highest quality care in the governments eyes - I can honestly say that Moore's preferred health care system is something I wouldn't wish on him.

www.nydailynews.com...




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