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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by OldThinker
I fear it is because most have not mastered the art of debate. One does not need to use a sledgehammer to convey one's point (in fact, your position will be given more consideration if you don't use such tactics), but alas, so many feel compelled to use such tactics. To me, it shows weakness in the stated position of the debater. It's akin to denying that art exists while standing in the Louvre while tightly closing one's eyes. I am also leary of people who live in absolutes, especially in regards to spiritual matters, as only the Divine knows the absolute truth. It not only shows ignorance, but arrogance as well.
I enjoy both debating with you and reading your posts, because it is very apparent that you take the time to ponder the positions of others. You do not come here to preach, but to learn and it's very apparent in you posts! It is the same for me. I am always open to new possibilities and to learn a thing or two in the process.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by OldThinker
I think some of it lies in the weakness of the proposed position. Some of it lies in ignorance on the topic being debated. Some of it lies in the fragile ego. Some of it lies... well, read the thread linked to in my signature.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by OldThinker
No prob. My eyes are also getting blurry! Oh, wait! I should throw a fit and insist that you answer me right now!! [/sarcasm]
But this is ignorant and completely ILLOGICAL
Originally posted by open_eyeballs
But this is ignorant and completely ILLOGICAL
This pretty much made me laugh. Please, no offence intended. Just a little chuckle.
Its just that you highlighted 10 different opinions about the man that you gathered and then the very next sentence you call it ILLOGICAL and ignorant.
And to reiterate you just called each major religions leaders ignorant. Does this ring with you at all as somewhat arrogant? I'm just saying. I know you work really hard trying to provide evidence for Jesus Christs divinity. I know this is your thing, I ve read multiple replies and threads you have created on this topic. And I am not trying to degrade your view and opinion, but sometimes I have to call it the way I see it.
Feel free to come back with your well thought our witty reply, but just keep in mind Im not looking to "dance with the wolves." I just wanted to highlight that point.
Originally posted by OldThinker
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could you tell me what you thought/think... of the historical person of Jesus (if you believed he existed)....was he a good man? a positive figure?
and if so, can you reconcile the OP presentation?
Originally posted by drwizardphd
we know so little of what there is to know...
Originally posted by drwizardphd
Is it possible that he was a supernatural figure? Maybe. Will we ever know the answer? Probably not (at least in our lifetimes).
As I said earlier, I believe there is more to life than what we see. To coldly assume that contemporary science has answered all of life's questions is just as foolish as assuming religious texts have answered all of life's questions. I believe a healthy balance, combined with the understanding that we know so little of what there is to know, is the key to wisdom.
Originally posted by OldThinker
especially the "in him all things hold together" Maybe's he the missing element at the quauntum level?
6) What’s missing in Quantum Physics? Mathematically, why doesn’t it all break apart? The more we learn about subatomic particles called ‘gluons’, the more the universe seems to be made of nothing at all? Scientist says that all the electrons and subatomic particles of an atom are held together in their precise position and orbit by an invisible force, by which without it, everything would fall apart and reality as we know it, would cease to exist in an instant.
Quotes from Discovery Magazine in 2000, “The weirdness comes from the gluons. Quantum chromodynamics, the force that holds protons together, is modeled closely on quantum electrodynamics, the force that holds atoms together—but the gluons change screening to antiscreening, intuitive to bizarre.” And, “The closer you look, the more you find the proton is dissolving into lots of particles, each of which is carrying very, very little energy," says Wilczek. "And the elements of reality that triggered the whole thing, the quarks, are these tiny little things in the middle of the cloud. In fact, if you follow the evolution to infinitely short distances, the triggering charge goes to zero. If you really study the equations, it gets almost mystical." More info here: discovermagazine.com...
Another question? Saw this on ‘Genius Forum’ Is there substance that holds all things together? According to the ‘Bundle Theory’ there isn't. It says all things are just bundles or sums of their properties. The objection to this view comes from the substrate theory which asks: If there is no substance what is it that holds these properties together? There must be some substance that has these properties is what they say.
We never reach the substance because whenever we talk about something we talk about its properties. The definition of substance makes it impossible. Substance would be something that has no properties, which is unthinkable.
At the fundamental level all things are made out of subatomic particles, if I'm not mistaken. Namely, electrons, protons and neutrons. The number of protons in a nucleus determines an atom's chemical element, and chemical elements and their various combinations are what everything is made of (excluding dark energy and dark matter).
However there is an even more fundamental level. Leptons, quarks (particles that make up protons and neutrons) and gauge bosons (which are the carriers of fundamental forces) are regarded as fundamental particles because they have no substructure that we know of. If this is true then they are the particles from which everything else is made of, which makes them the closest we get to substance.”
"For by Jesus all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together"