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Taliban buying children for suicide bombers

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Oh dear! Still no links just some references I have to go to the trouble of searching for in my local library.


Links? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Everything on the internet is true, right??

Looks like you're going to have to do some reading, huh? Wow, that's tough. Sorry to put you out like that. (Look on the bright side, the books are pretty good and you might learn something.)



Stop being so patronising. You made a sweeping statement about the Kurds; a nation of more than 20 million people. If you can throw around allegations like that, the least you can do is substantiate your comments.

When asked to prove your comments you refer to some vague recollections of some books you claimed to have read. What is the problem, surely you can find some links to the tracts you refer to unless of course you are blowing hot air?




posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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Hmmm.. didnt Iran compensate the families of suicide bombers at one point? Maybe this is something like that scheme but done in advance.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
Stop being so patronising. You made a sweeping statement about the Kurds; a nation of more than 20 million people. If you can throw around allegations like that, the least you can do is substantiate your comments.

When asked to prove your comments you refer to some vague recollections of some books you claimed to have read. What is the problem, surely you can find some links to the tracts you refer to unless of course you are blowing hot air?


Yeah, I supplied titles and authors. That's me, being vague again.

And as I said, if you really read my post instead of just jumping to conclusions, you'd realize that what I was saying wasn't busting the Kurds chops, just saying that cultures are different. You're obviously showing your ass and your lack of having any understanding about different cultures.

If you want more references, I suggest a trip to the local library; that's where I found most of the books. If you're not satisfied with that answer, please understand that life sucks and sometimes you just have to buckle the helmet on a little tighter.

Now, care to add anything constructive to this thread?



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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I thought this thread had something to do with child suicide bombers?


Seminary head nabbed for terror training


TheNews.com. pk Sunday, July 12, 2009

NURPUR THAL: A convener of a seminary situated in Nurpur Thal village of Buland Sunday has been arrested on charge of training youths for terror purposes.

According to police, madrassah organizer—Muhammed Rafeeq--who was a teacher at a local school, used to send brainwashed teenaged youths to tribal areas, where they were given terror training.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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Everyone knows that the "ripcord" is only the first way to detonate. There is always a radio backup in case the bomber gets cold feet.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Yeah, I supplied titles and authors. That's me, being vague again.

And as I said, if you really read my post instead of just jumping to conclusions, you'd realize that what I was saying wasn't busting the Kurds chops, just saying that cultures are different. You're obviously showing your ass and your lack of having any understanding about different cultures.

If you want more references, I suggest a trip to the local library; that's where I found most of the books. If you're not satisfied with that answer, please understand that life sucks and sometimes you just have to buckle the helmet on a little tighter.

Now, care to add anything constructive to this thread?


You are obviously operating under the delusion that you are the only one that cracks open a book. On this point 'thou dost protest too much' which makes me think that you merely chanced upon the books you claim to have read.

To suggest that Kurds do not value their children as others do, whether written in a book or not, is a horrendous claim that stinks of dehumanisation.
In all likelihood, it is probably the immense respect for their elders that has confused you and said writer causing conflation of a misunderstanding.

Regarding an exposed arse and lack of cultural awareness, it is you that suffers from that ailment to assume that human beings are so different that these difference overwhelms basic imperatives.

You are suffering from an ailment known as "they are not like us-asitis". You see, when you think like that, it is easier to drop the bombs.

It still remains to be seen whether you are able to substantiate your claims. It really is not up to me to disprove a negative.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by groingrinder
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Everyone knows that the "ripcord" is only the first way to detonate. There is always a radio backup in case the bomber gets cold feet.



And you know this for a fact? Let me get this straight; hypothetically speaking, you have a group of people on their back feet with no arms or a primitive arsenal of hand weapons who get a hold of remote detonators or maybe a reconfigured cell phone and a transmitter - you do realise that you need a cellphone tower and they are scarce in Gaza and the mountains of Afghanistan - then decide to employ this scarce resource on the back of a child.

Sorry bud, does not compute.

This kind of technology is used on IEDS. It is more lethal and predictable than a kid with a death wish and cajones the size of bowling balls.

I gotto say it is more likely to be ripcords and an adult that has a score to settle.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by VitalOverdose
Hmmm.. didnt Iran compensate the families of suicide bombers at one point? Maybe this is something like that scheme but done in advance.


Yup. They paid the families of suicide bombers who got their houses smashed by Israel as a collective punishment. Highly illegal act so you can imagine Iran taking advantage.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by makeitso
I thought this thread had something to do with child suicide bombers?


Seminary head nabbed for terror training


TheNews.com. pk Sunday, July 12, 2009

NURPUR THAL: A convener of a seminary situated in Nurpur Thal village of Buland Sunday has been arrested on charge of training youths for terror purposes.

According to police, madrassah organizer—Muhammed Rafeeq--who was a teacher at a local school, used to send brainwashed teenaged youths to tribal areas, where they were given terror training.


Your link is about a story in the Punjab. Do you know where that is?

Seeing that you have opened up the field, I hope you don't mind me including other matters.

It's raining phosphorous in the madrassah;


www.map-uk.org...


Corpse-u-like direct from a madrassah;


www.groovinrecords.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
You are obviously operating under the delusion that you are the only one that cracks open a book. On this point 'thou dost protest too much' which makes me think that you merely chanced upon the books you claim to have read.


This is ATS, land of the "If it's not on the internet, it's a lie!!". You can believe whatever you want, Gus. I'm not losing any sleep over you, trust me.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
To suggest that Kurds do not value their children as others do, whether written in a book or not, is a horrendous claim that stinks of dehumanisation.
In all likelihood, it is probably the immense respect for their elders that has confused you and said writer causing conflation of a misunderstanding.


It's not that they value the children less, it's that when push came to shove, and they were starving, they fed the elders first. Nothing too confusing about that; if you are, sorry.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
Regarding an exposed arse and lack of cultural awareness, it is you that suffers from that ailment to assume that human beings are so different that these difference overwhelms basic imperatives.

You are suffering from an ailment known as "they are not like us-asitis". You see, when you think like that, it is easier to drop the bombs.


Sorry, Gus, I've probably been around more cultures than you ever will be. It's one of the many benefits of the job I have. Cultures and people are different; they are the same. We're taught to understand that their values might be different than ours and it's not for us to judge.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
It still remains to be seen whether you are able to substantiate your claims. It really is not up to me to disprove a negative.


Once again, I'm not too worried about whether or not you believe me. You wanted a source, I gave them to you. I'm not about to spoon feed someone that's bleating like a spoiled child that's not having things go their way.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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I hope you don't mind me including other matters.


Why would I mind.
Anything to defer the topic of child suicide bombers, right?

Video - Pakistan: Taliban buying children for suicide attacks



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
And you know this for a fact? Let me get this straight; hypothetically speaking, you have a group of people on their back feet with no arms or a primitive arsenal of hand weapons who get a hold of remote detonators or maybe a reconfigured cell phone and a transmitter - you do realise that you need a cellphone tower and they are scarce in Gaza and the mountains of Afghanistan - then decide to employ this scarce resource on the back of a child.

Sorry bud, does not compute.

This kind of technology is used on IEDS. It is more lethal and predictable than a kid with a death wish and cajones the size of bowling balls.

I gotto say it is more likely to be ripcords and an adult that has a score to settle.


What, you don't think the Taliban in A-stan are smart enough to manufacture some sort of remote det device of some sort? Interesting.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

What, you don't think the Taliban in A-stan are smart enough to manufacture some sort of remote det device of some sort? Interesting.


Taliban use suicide bombers in remote areas but have been known to use IEDs elsewhere. In fact, in their former incarnation they toasted the Soviets with these techniques

Here is a link;



PHILIP JACOBSON: The U.S. understood the danger of the Taliban's deadly improvised bombs. Why didn't we?

The shocking rise in British casualties in Afghanistan over the past ten days, most inflicted by the Taliban's deadly Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), reminded me forcibly of a conversation I had about a year ago with a grizzled U.S. Army general.

A 40-year infantry veteran, Thomas C Metz explained the mechanics of 'asymmetric warfare' - a conflict in which a far weaker force takes the fight to a more powerful enemy by striking at its most vulnerable points.

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Note; a comment that has been substantiated

Regarding the intelligence of the Taliban, it is a value judgement on you part and I have no subjective comments to match. However, you maybe able to substantiate your claims on their IQ. If you do, please provide a link.


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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Relax everybody, it's the CIA doing the selling and we all know the CIA does what it does for the safety and security of AMORICA. Oh btw, keep a close eye on your kids, umm the CIA is pocketing the money so do not expect a taxbreak for any of your children blown up in the name of peace.


 
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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
www.dailymail.co.uk...
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Interesting story.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
Regarding the intelligence of the Taliban, it is a value judgement on you part and I have not subjective comments to match. However, you maybe able to substantiate your claims on their IQ. If you do, please provide a link.


No link; I've just had to fight them. Cunning little SOBs.

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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post by jerico65

This is ATS, land of the "If it's not on the internet, it's a lie!!". You can believe whatever you want, Gus. I'm not losing any sleep over you, trust me.


That is wholly your perception and a product of your conceit.




post by jerico65

It's not that they value the children less, it's that when push came to shove, and they were starving, they fed the elders first. Nothing too confusing about that; if you are, sorry.


Well if you put that way, I think a less traditional society like say the US may produce more unusual situations. I suspect a less socially cohesive society may produce things arm chair moralists will crinkle their noses at.




post by jerico65

Sorry, Gus, I've probably been around more cultures than you ever will be. It's one of the many benefits of the job I have. Cultures and people are different; they are the same. We're taught to understand that their values might be different than ours and it's not for us to judge.


I can honestly say your claim is unlikely. I cringe to even begin to say how many countries I have lived in or the languages I speak. However, I do note that where ever Americans travel to for work, they invariably end up in a military base, embassy compound or corporate gated community. This is not a way to get under the skin of countries you are a guest.

Free ranging Americans are a rarity that may result in uprisings and disturbances of the peace in their immediate locations. It is unsafe for Americans to travel or work in large parts of the world on their own.



post by jerico65

Once again, I'm not too worried about whether or not you believe me. You wanted a source, I gave them to you. I'm not about to spoon feed someone that's bleating like a spoiled child that's not having things go their way.


This is contrary to the effort you have extended in responding to my comments. Further still, you seem to be committed to inform me of how well read and culturally aware you are on account of having travelled the world. Personally I don't care and take you as are and merely request that you substantiate your high handed commentary of others. The rest of your words are just abuse so I will not go there.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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No link; I've just had to fight them. Cunning little SOBs.


Glad to see you have some respect for your enemy's abilities. Personally I don't like their brutality but I have a problem with the dehumanisation of people. While it is them today, it maybe us tomorrow.

BTW, cunning is an aspect of intelligence.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
I can honestly say your claim is unlikely.


Whatever.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
I cringe to even begin to say how many countries I have lived in or the languages I speak. However, I do note that where ever Americans travel to for work, they invariably end up in a military base, embassy compound or corporate gated community. This is not a way to get under the skin of countries you are a guest.


Wow, really? Is one of the languages speak Klingon by any chance?


Most of the civilians that I know that were overseas weren't in any "gate community", embassy compound or a military base.

But being so educated, you do know that a fair amount of military personnel do deal with the local population on a regular basis other than shooting at them. Civil Affairs and Special Operations are two of the most popular.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
This is contrary to the effort you have extended in responding to my comments.


I'm bored at work and I'm having a good time.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
Further still, you seem to be committed to inform me of how well read and culturally aware you are on account of having travelled the world.


And the paragraph above, where you "cring" to inform everyone on the countries you've travelled and languages you speak? Please, secure the bombastic behavior. It smacks of elitism.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
Personally I don't care and take you as are and merely request that you substantiate your high handed commentary of others.


You wanted sources, you got sources. What more do you need, someone to read it to you? If you don't like the sources, big deal. The world isn't revolving around you today.



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