I don't think there is any doubt something is going on. I assume you have listened to Dave Chappelle talking about this issue, not Michael Jackson just being controlled by the industry. If you haven't you need to look it up, it's on youtube.

Originally posted by Strictsum
[I don't know, everything interest me these days. It wasn't that long ago I was still sleepwalking through life. I have recently been awakened and want to know everything my mind can possess. I hope that makes sense.

Pretty cool attitude Strictsum, I like it.
I personally find certain questions that I have pondered from when I was a kid make sense since reasearch and meditation. Just wierd stuff that I thought I would never get an answer to. Where do clowns come from? Historically jesters, where do they come from? I dont know so what else do we know about them? They have distinctive clothing. Hmmmm, the clothing is highly symbolistic, is there a deeper aspect? Always.

Example. I was thinking about morris dancers a while back ( please dont laugh) and where such an absurd dance and would come about.
Later I found out about a martial art called escrima from the Phillipines, they fought with sticks and when the practice became illegal they hid it in the form of a cermonial dance. Clearly morris dancers fight with sticks, why do they hit each other on their backsides? They are use instead of hitting a persons kidneys which would obviously cause damge in training.
Its humbling to think, even if you are adament you know everything, you still dont know that a morris dancer could probably kick your ass.

That Dave Chapelle skit was brilliant. We dont really see much of him over here its a shame. We dont get Def Jam or anything.

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Originally posted by Majestic23

I personally find certain questions that I have pondered from when I was a kid make sense since reasearch and meditation. Just wierd stuff that I thought I would never get an answer to.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Things that seemed so weird and unanswerable are really very simple things if you look to the past for the answers. Past the history books to the true history of the world.

About Dave Chappelle, he explains a lot about how they tried to drive him crazy, constantly telling him he was insane,trying to make him take medicine. Building walls in his office so he couldn't see or talk to the other people around him. How they were putting things in the paper that were completely untrue and more. He walked away from a 50 million dollar contract because he refused to do as he was told by TPTB. It was during an interview with Oprah but it's no longer on youtube. I would be willing to bet, these same tactics were used against Michael Jackson. Probably to a much larger degree.

Originally posted by Strictsum
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Things that seemed so weird and unanswerable are really very simple things if you look to the past for the answers. Past the history books to the true history of the world.

Yes, when the perspective changes its as though things make enormous sense instantly as you come across info, if it has any truth to it.

Originally posted by StrictsumAbout Dave Chappelle, he explains a lot about how they tried to drive him crazy, constantly telling him he was insane,trying to make him take medicine. Building walls in his office so he couldn't see or talk to the other people around him. How they were putting things in the paper that were completely untrue and more. He walked away from a 50 million dollar contract because he refused to do as he was told by TPTB. It was during an interview with Oprah but it's no longer on youtube. I would be willing to bet, these same tactics were used against Michael Jackson. Probably to a much larger degree.

I did not know he was on their radar, this is interesting. I have wondered about the pervasiveness of Def Jam and Russel Simmons etc... in black American culture and the strings being pulled with those types of monoploies. Its interesting to think of Martin Lawrences breakdown also.

Some very interesting stuff to think about Exv8densez, thanks for that.

Originally posted by Exv8densez
Where do the messages of love, peace and unity in most of his songs fit in all this?

All that stuff is a bit subjective for me. For example tptb will oft hide behind a very benevolent facade. This is of course a great strategy, perhaps in their perspective they are doing the rightouss thing yet I doubt it.
I will say I think his later songs about love and peace were more genuine and from Michael Jackson's soul lets say, when he had started to pull away from his handlers.

Originally posted by Exv8densezWere those messages his or the Illuminati's?

It depends on how you look at it. If we hear Michael Jackson sing it doesant matter if youre black or white, it can be taken a number of ways. To me its highly symbolistic denoting transcendance from the laws of duality. This is one of the main thought patterns that the powers that be adhere to, that is how they do things that look like they should draw a load of bad karma, but they dont ( they may also keep this in check by the fact that they announce their intentions very clearly for those who can be bothered to look. Thus they arent drawing bad karma because its us that is accepting the situations they bring on us). I would say that kind of message comes from the Illuminatists. When he sings "heal the world, make it a better place" I cant really find anything wrong with it and its a sort of sweet sorrow song, its uplifting though.
Now if we are talking about intent behind the words being said. Then that is all Jackson, you cant sing like that if you dont have emotional power behind it simple as. Even when he was a kid. I think he was a troubled but good soul personally, I may be very wrong.

Originally posted by Exv8densezDo you think he know about all those symbolisms?

I believe he was subject to MK Ultra style programming as a child so in a roundabout way he would know a lot about it, subconsciously.
He was meant to be kind of spiritual so its also possible that a lot of the symbolism was his own. But the pharoe/jesus ressurection stuff, I dont think he was consciously aware of it.

Originally posted by FIFIGI
Consider Directed Energy Weapons.

Indeed. We know that the miltary has energy weapons that when directed at the frontal lobes can induce severe discomfort, paralysis (and so presumably death is possible) aggression and submissiveness. So really its quite possible they have a way to induce death whilst leaving no evidence.

Its reminds me of the the idea that Bruce Lee was killed by a death touch, a strike using qi and vibration that can kill a subject weeks after the incident ( granted some of the mythos of this is tied up with poisoned rings), there is a great thread about a man who boils water with his hands that has brought forward some of the ideas how energy weapons can be used.

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Originally posted by Majestic23

Some very interesting stuff to think about Exv8densez, thanks for that.


I will say I think his later songs about love and peace were more genuine and from Michael Jackson's soul lets say, when he had started to pull away from his handlers.

Well, thanks for answering my questions. Fair answers. I had a couple more but I think I would have to talk to MJ himself.

Phew! I was afraid this thread was going to lead more to unfair and unfounded demonization of the man just for being a "star". Glad to see that you appreciate the same MJ material as I do. It's true that his own material, especially later in his career, were much more profound, strangely when he was starting to "appear" irrelevant in the eyes to the star system.

About the Mk Ultra mind programming, its all possible but lets be careful not to go too far assuming that's what might have elevate MJ to this level. All the talent, the boldness, the passion was his. What I think they tried to do was to derail his "destiny" or dreams. But I don't think that only those you mention are responsible for his tragic end. To me evil is at every level. I'll even go as far as assuming that very dark forces were targeting him from birth; just because somehow he'd show the world how GREAT the human can be. I think that's what will happen to anybody similar.

The saddest thing about it all, is that ultimately, all those dark forces strangely recalls God's jealousy in the OT.“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5).

I am very interested to hear the 200 songs he supposedly wrote for his children.

These could possibly be songs he was not allowed to put on his records because they contained messages someone didn't want the world to hear.

The songs such as "They don't really care about us" could have been bargaining chips for TPTB. I will allow this song but you must sing these 3 songs that we wrote. That way it looks like he is talking about "They" don't care about blacks in reality he was talking about everyone. I don't know just thinking out loud, or rather thinking on screen.

How would that saying go online