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reply posted on 12-8-2009 @ 07:52 PM by SLAYER69
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi



Doesn't matter he is way off.
We maintain an arsenal of about 5,500 warheads. That's about 1200 less than Russia.




reply posted on 13-8-2009 @ 08:58 PM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by mattifikation
Why single out Americans? I've talked to plenty of people from plenty of other countries who had similar beliefs about themselves. I'm pretty sick and tired of the anti-American prejudice on these boards...

I mean, what gives? No other country does bad things, or what?


It isn't that...

We see all kinds of ignorant posts by chest pounders who think that by spewing ignorant rhetoric they are making up for what the have perceived as attacks on Americans. When in reality most of what appears as anti-American to some is most of the time somebody simply expressing their frustrations.

Take a look at this trash talk
here for example. No wonder people think what they do about the US.

On the other hand we have people who like to clump us all together and make blanket statements about us. Not realizing that that's just as ignorant. Here is something that many here at ATS forget. We here in the US have a disproportionate amount of pubescent teenage boys with too much time on their hands while school is out that have access to computers and the internet.

Couple that with the real ignorant classes and we have a recipe for disaster one that gives most of us a bad reputation.





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reply posted on 13-8-2009 @ 09:09 PM by FredT
Reply to post by Skelkie3


yes. its pretty obvious no? I think you are confusing war with reconstruction efforts



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reply posted on 13-8-2009 @ 10:13 PM by mattifikation
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi



Then you haven't been looking hard enough. In particular, there's a few folks around here that are absolutely in love the Earth's Eternal Masters from China and/or Russia. It's not just Americans at all.

I don't know a single person who has a problem with Canada, or Canadians. I'm not sure who you ran into, but we have a word for those that can't be used on this web site. That word is definitely not "Americans."

That thread by esecallum proved me wrong though. I honestly thought he was being sarcastic with his post in this thread. That's pretty sad that somebody would think that way. I assure you though, I've seen more than just Americans making posts like that.

I don't like being lumped in with people or posts like that. That's not the majority viewpoint in this country at all. If you have 1,000 people walking through Time Square going about their daily business and keeping to themselves and 1 homeless guy screaming at the top of his lungs about the end of the world, does that mean everyone in Times Square thinks the world is about to end?

At any rate, coming into a thread titled "Can the US win a war" is definitely not going to help you avoid posters who like to brag about US military power. I mean... that's the topic of the thread. Of course people are going to talk about our military. I think our military policies are as bass-ackwards as the rest of the world does, but that's not the point of the thread.

The question asked is, "can the U.S. win a war?"

I understand why you don't like hearing Americans brag, but why does it bother you that some people came to this thread and answered "Yes?" The topic isn't about what it means to "win," or "nobody wins in war," or any of the myriad of other philosophical pearls of wisdom that follow those lines... the topic is about the ability of our military to overcome another.

If it perturbs you so much to see Americans talk about such a thing, then why would you even read a thread about exactly that topic? Would you like it if somebody started a thread asking if Canada can win a war, and I came in and started bashing nationalist Canadians for answering the question?


reply posted on 16-8-2009 @ 10:30 AM by mattifikation
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi



That sounds more like the Rangers than the Special Forces. Two separate things there. I wouldn't doubt the Special Forces' ability to carry out "terrorism" missions, however I think they'd be more likely to go after military targets than civilian targets. That bit might just be wishful thinking on my part, though.



reply posted on 16-8-2009 @ 12:19 PM by fritz
Originally posted by esecallumWe Americans don't declare wars.We defend America. We are the most civilised race on the planet.


Give it a rest will you mate? Nobody in the rest of the world believes America and her lies any more.

You people are fed a diet of lies and more lies. If a lie is told often enough, it becomes fact. If the facts supporting the lie are themselves believable, the legitimacy of the lie grows with it..

As is the case with your media. If the media, especially Hollywood, gets in on the act, legitimate facts are changed to suit American politics or are used to portray America as the No 1 Hero on the block.

So when Colin Powel sat behind his desk in the Security Council meeting and held up a plastic bottle and declared that it contained a sample of Anthrax developed by Saddam Hussein and smuggled out of Iraq, they and the rest of the world (backed by American lies) believed him.

That you (America) don't declare wars is true. You did not declare war on Iraq or Afghanistan, yet your country - aided and abetted by mine, did invade those two countries.

I suppose one could forgive the naievity of the American people as a whole, and one could forgive the stupidity of the American military's top
'thinkers and planners' but let's face it, you deserve each other.

On the one hand the great US public believes what the President, his Generals and their media machines tell them whilst on the other, they simple cannot believe or want to believe, that their President, his military and civil leaders have got it so awfully wrong.

Can the US win a modern, conventional war against a similar opponent? No, I believe not.

In the next few years, we will see the world's eventual superpower emerge and that will be China - on her own or as a co-operative union with India.

Meanwhile should America ever be foolish enough to try to stamp it's dwindling authority on the world's stage and bring even so called rogue countries like Iran or N Korea to heel through some kind of military action, I suspect that the great American public would turn their backs on her leaders.

It's not only military might and technology that can win wars, it's also the public's opinion and their will to continue the conflict against ever mounting casualties.

No amount of lies or propoganda can ever disguise the number of flag draped metal boxes or the convoys of ambulances that take the maimed to hospital.

As for being the most civilised country in the world - yeah, right!
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