Homeland Security and U.S. Army Plan Invasion of States

Originally posted by MasterRegal
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Lets face it, most people here distrust the government and call into question every action by the government and formulate conspiracies in order to validate their distrust of the government. This is not new and will happen with our 45th President.

the Bush administration did some things which should have never been done. But the current administration is doing worse. We are not making this up. We have president Obama, Emmanuel Rahm, Hillary Clinton, and other members of the current administration tell us in interviews what they want for the Republic of the U.S. and for Americans, and it is nothing good.

We are not making anything up. There have been several threads posting "PROOF" and not "CLAIMS"...

The current administration NATIONALICE = SOCIALIZED GM, they want to do the same to healthcare.

They passed dictatorial Socialist laws like H.R. 1388, and Obama, plus Emmanuel Rahm, and even Michelle Obama, and others in the administration have clearly stated what they will be doing, which shouldn't happen in the Republic.

There was even a DHS report which was leaked, and which names most REAL Americans as "possible terrorists", and Emmanuel Rahm has stated in interviews that if you are a "possible terrorist", note the word "POSSIBLE", you will not be allowed to buy guns or to have them...

Sorry but you are wrong, you either haven't done enough research, or you are just another Obamatron who beliefs the "messiah" can do no wrong, when in fact he is destroying the Republic.

reply to post by larphillips


"Kent State, the Branch Davidian raid, the freedom marches of the South, the riots in Watts and then years later in South Central LA, the "Patriot" Act, etc." are really not comparable.

The students at Kent State were patsies of the communist sympathizers who used fireworks to make the poorly trained National Guardsmen think they were being fired upon. The National Guardsmen simply fired to defend themselves. It was no government plot.

The Branch Davidian raid was a government plot. A plot by "well meaning officials" who exceeded their authority. Well meaning officials who think they know what is best for other people are the most dangerous kind.

reply to post by larphillips


Silent Weapons Quiet Wars
As General Keegan, Abraham Lincoln, JFK all warned us. Divide and conquer
A House divided cannot stand.

They are stacking the deck and by the time we respond it will be to late. But we wait because lets face it, we are scared, unsure, and we feel the fight to be futile as they have so much and so many against us.

But Washington had a vision and he said we would not lose the Republic. But who has the courage of those who came before us? We fight in the courts, we protest and you see how far that gets us.
In the first Revolution only 1/3 fought.

So when? So who? Does LEO care? Does anyone in the FBI care? Does any one in Government care? Do the Governors of the several states care?

People all of the world are getting angry at the elite among us, We wanr freedom, but so do they.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
They are pushing this country to Civil War and Obama knows it. Why else would he swear in on Abraham Lincoln's bible?

He wants to take over the US and doesn't want states anymore, He just wants to make the USA just America. He is a dictator plain and simple. Fortunately I don't think very many people are going to play along with his plan.

The states have been allowed to abuse the 10th Amendment and have failed to be constitutional republics for 233 years. It is the responsibility of the federal government to guarantee the states a "republican form of government."

States have allowed people to treat other people as their property and have subjected those that are neurologically different to torture. Oops, I meant "aversives," of course.

Enough is enough. The last eight years has convinced me that it is time to finish what Lincoln started.

If Obama does become dictator, it is only because 30% of Americans who are fascists who think like Rupert Murdoch and Adolf Hitler brought it upon themselves.

It is time for those who voted for that Son of a Bush to reap what they sowed and find unconstitutional acts that they saw nothing wrong with (such as the USA TREASON Act) used against them.

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Originally posted by CharlesMartel
reply to post by larphillips

 

"Kent State, the Branch Davidian raid, the freedom marches of the South, the riots in Watts and then years later in South Central LA, the "Patriot" Act, etc." are really not comparable.

The students at Kent State were patsies of the communist sympathizers who used fireworks to make the poorly trained National Guardsmen think they were being fired upon. The National Guardsmen simply fired to defend themselves. It was no government plot.

The Branch Davidian raid was a government plot. A plot by "well meaning officials" who exceeded their authority. Well meaning officials who think they know what is best for other people are the most dangerous kind.

If you read my post, you would see that I did not say that any of those events were a "government plot." What I was trying to illustrate is that if you think that military or law enforcement wouldn't turn on Americans, history says otherwise.

reply to post by larphillips


I disagree. There is a lot of history where the military did NOT turn on its citizens in this country that did not get reported.

I know special forces snipers who served in multiple theaters that actually would kill CIA spooks who were engaged in torturing, murdering, etc.

I know several active duty personnel and ex military that are preparing for what is coming and you better believe they are on our side.

It seems a lot of people seem to forget they have families who live here too and the military is being thrown under the bus for a reason.

Our National Guard is oversees for a reason... because the vast majority will be on our side. This I know for fact.

When TSHTF do not, I repeat, DO NOT just start attacking your own soldiers, which is our family; there is more than probable chance they are on your side.

From everything I have learned the UN will be called to implement martial law and control the civil unrest. There are already UN battalions on US soil from Russia and Germany. I would also be hesitant to trusting the alphabet agencies.

I don't believe the majority of our military would turn on the citizens. Our son is military and we've actually discussed this. It is also being discussed by some members of his unit.

As to getting them home, I believe that could be done reasonably quickly. Our son is in logistics. Not all travel is charter. Those nice big cargo planes (C130s?)come in very handy for moving troops.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

There are somethings from Alex Jones that I do not agree with. Sometimes I think he exagerates even if he has good intentions. I also don't trust much "NewsWithViews", but .......

You should have left it there rather than essentially saying I think this guy is full of it and the website is bunk, but lets pretend it isn't.

Did no one read this part?
....to discuss “pre-disaster planning, response and recovery in support of the federal response to the 2009 hurricane season as well as wild fires, floods and other potential disasters.”

How do we go from hurricane preparation to raping our wives?

Originally posted by Dr Love
When the time comes they will be the ones in your streets under the guise of a UN peacekeeping force, and they will most likely drop you in a heartbeat, opposed to the high number of US soldiers who wouldn't. They want as few US soldiers operating here as possible. And yes, I'm sure they'll be plenty of mercenaries running rampant as well, raping (your wife, daughter, g/f) and pillaging at will.
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Apocaliptic fantasies anyone?



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reply to post by maybereal11


UN troops have been involved in rape charges in many parts of the world.
UN troops, as well as mercs have no regard for the people they are supposed to help.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by maybereal11

 

UN troops have been involved in rape charges in many parts of the world.
UN troops, as well as mercs have no regard for the people they are supposed to help.

Ignorance is like a spreading cancer on ATS lately.

WHERE does it say anything about UN troops???????

Is this what you are talking about?

"Officials announced during the teleconference that the Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator W. Craig Fugate met with the Commander, US Northern Command, General Gene Renuart, to discuss “pre-disaster planning, response and recovery in support of the federal response to the 2009 hurricane season as well as wild fires, floods and other potential disasters.”

Just because he has a French sounding name does not mean he is NATO LOL.

The US Northern Command ...US stands for UNTIED STATES.

United States Northern Command
www.northcom.mil...

And by the way...
n Sept. 2005, as directed by the secretary of defense and in accordance with the National Response Plan, USNORTHCOM supported the Dept. of Homeland Security and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and other federal agencies in disaster relief efforts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. More than 21,400 active-duty servicemembers and 45,700 Army and Air National Guard members supported the effort in the U.S. Gulf Coast.

...but I am sure they "raped" everyones wives while they were supporting the local authorities during Katrina.

Geez...

Originally posted by TXTriker
I don't believe the majority of our military would turn on the citizens. Our son is military and we've actually discussed this. It is also being discussed by some members of his unit.

It's good to hear that these things are being discussed. They need to be. Tell your son, as much as he is able without being labeled a "troublemaker" to keep those discussions flowing.

reply to post by maybereal11



You were talking about "Alex Jones' claims" in particular when responding to member Dr. love... and among the claims of Alex Jones is that UN troops will be used in U.S. soil whenever things get bad and the rioting starts...

I wasn't talking about the article in particular, but about YOUR comments to the member Dr. love....

Next time you want to call someone ignorant, you better make sure you are certain what you are talking about before you end up with both of your feet in your mouth....

BTW, apparently you are one of those people who thinks everything is fine even though the latest DHS report, and Janet Napolitano designate most Americans as "possible terrorists"... or at least those Americans that want to uphold, and defend the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights of the Republic of the United States...

Meanwhile law abidding American citizens who don't want any more restrictions, or even a ban on the Second Amendment, or are against global taxes, don't agree with the Obama administration policies, and/or fear Communism are labeled as "possible terrorists", there is going to be a military exercise being done starting on July 27th "to fight terrorism", and many of the troops that will be involved are foreign troops, as well as the "private sector" such as Blackwater.

In addition, broad regional participation of state, tribal, local, and private sector is anticipated. This year the United States welcomes the participation of Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom in NLE 09.

www.fema.gov...

I know that there have been foreign troops training in the U.S. for a long time, since I have seen them in Naval military bases, but this is happening at a time when the DHS is labeling most Americans as "possible terrorists".




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reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


When Obama took the oath with Abraham Lincoln's bible, the very thought I felt like an evil wind through my soul was that Lincoln saved the Union, Obama would bring it down. May God have mercy on these United States.

whoa! istn this a HUGE violation? I forget what its called in latin, but the only real troops llowed by law, constitution is the national guard. Again, the reason being, cause every nation ever in existance, that had a military in the streets, was facist or just plain up to no good, or communist. That is why america the beutiful and land of the free, the called this. IS obama effin nuts or something? He is acitng out Bush's wildest dreams..well at least mentally so far.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
whoa! istn this a HUGE violation? I forget what its called in latin, but the only real troops llowed by law, constitution is the national guard. Again, the reason being, cause every nation ever in existance, that had a military in the streets, was facist or just plain up to no good, or communist. That is why america the beutiful and land of the free, the called this. IS obama effin nuts or something? He is acitng out Bush's wildest dreams..well at least mentally so far.

It's called "Posse Comitatus," and under the Constitution, federal troops are in most cases prohibited from law enforcement activities in the continental United States.

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

en.wikipedia.org...

So according to the laws on the books, it has to be pretty serious for federal troops to be called in to impose martial law in the US.

Thanks jakes51, yeah thats it. Yeah, it would take something of the order of a nuclear bomb going off, for the miltiary to legaly be allowed in OUR streets. Maybe even biological or germ warfare, out of control virus has a city in quarantine, like the movie. To use the military for a forest fire? or flood? thats hwat the national guard is for, local fire departments, police.
I was NOT aware, if tis true, most of our national guards are overseas? ay truth to this? cause if so,..somethings coming down our road soon, very soon then. And it aint the fed ex or postalman! more like the fed ex or postal naziman!

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Yes, there have been the largest deployments of National Guards to Iraq, and Afghanistan.

I made a thread about it, and mentioned it in other threads.

Many states had either the largest deployment of National Guards in the state's history, or since WWII, and more are getting ready to go.

National Guard announces details of Afghanistan deployment
Thursday July 2, 2009

Fifteen-hundred members of the Vermont Army Guard will go to Afghanistan early next year. It will be the largest deployment of Vermont Guard members since World War II.

www.vpr.net...

Pa. National Guard Sees Largest Combat Deployment Since WWII
About 5,000 Local Guard Members In Iraq
Scott MacFarlane
Posted: 5:05 pm EDT June 15, 2009
Updated: 5:05 pm EDT June 15, 2009

WASHINGTON -- Even as Americans focus less on the war in Iraq, Pennsylvania National Guard members are stepping up their presence there.

Reports from military and congressional sources show 5,000 local guard members are serving in Iraq as of Monday, including 4,000 of the state's 56th Stryker Brigade.

www.wpxi.com...

Troops Gather For Largest National Guard Deployment Sendoff
POSTED: 5:03 pm CST February 17, 2009
UPDATED: 7:07 pm CST February 17, 2009

MADISON, Wis. -- Wisconsin is saying farewell to thousands of Army National Guard Soldiers, bound for Iraq in the largest Wisconsin National Guard deployment in more than 50 years, which required an equally large send off Tuesday.

www.wisn.com...

N.D. National Guard will have largest single deployment ever in mid-August
Published 06/08/2009, Grand Forks Herald

Troops from Grand Forks, Fargo and throughout the state will depart in mid-August for several weeks of training in Indiana and Germany before arriving in Kosovo in November, said Capt. Dan Murphy, a Guard spokesman.

secure.forumcomm.com...

Illinois National Guard Starts Largest Deployment Since WWII
digg Huffpost - Illinois National Guard Starts Largest Deployment Since WWII stumble reddit del.ico.us

First Posted: 10- 3-08 03:44 PM | Updated: 11- 3-08 05:12 AM

CHAMPAIGN - The largest deployment of Illinois National Guard troops since World War II is preparing to head to Afghanistan to help battle a growing insurgency, while families ready for life without husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters.

The 2,700 soldiers of the 33rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team will ship out this month - some for pre-mission training, others to their posts in Afghanistan, where they will help train the Afghan national police force, said Col. Scott Thoele, who commands the brigade.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


Here is a list of all the deployments occurring of National Guards.


national-guard-news.newslib.com...


BTW, i noticed that in this link it says the Wyoming National Guard is seen as a family afair, but it doesn't say that it is the largest deployment in the state's history. The same is happening to many, if not most states' National Guards.

Wyoming Prepares for Largest National Guard Deployment
Written by Fred Baker
Thursday, 22 January 2009 03:23
As Wyoming prepares for the largest National Guard deployment in state history, much of the planning has gone into helping those who will be left behind for a year in communities scattered across the rural state.

WASHINGTON - As Wyoming prepares for the largest National Guard deployment in state history, much of the planning has gone into helping those who will be left behind for a year in communities scattered across the rural state.

urlwww.catholicmil.org


[url=http://www.bayareacodepink.org/actions/pdf/packets/15a_quarter_page.doc]The US currently has the LARGEST deployment of National Guard ...






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OFFICE OF GOVERNOR BILL RITTER, JR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
FRIDAY, APRIL 17, 2009


CONTACT:


Evan Dreyer, 720.350.8370, [email protected]

GOV. RITTER SENDS OFF LARGEST DEPLOYMENT OF COLORADO NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS SINCE WORLD WAR II

As commander-in-chief of the Colorado National Guard, Gov. Ritter took part in today's send-off ceremony for nearly 500 courageous citizen-soldiers of the 3rd Battalion, 157th Field Artillery. This is the largest Colorado National Guard deployment since World War II, and many of the troops are being deployed for their second, third or fourth tour of duty.

"On behalf of the people of Colorado, I cannot tell you how proud we are," Gov. Ritter told the troops and their families during the ceremony at the Pepsi Center. "We will incessantly pray for you and keep you in our hearts and our thoughts. While you are away, we will take care of your families, because they serve too, they serve in your absence.

coloradobiomass.org...

i could keep going but i think i made my point.

There is definetedly something strange going on.

I also found the following as i was searching.

Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:29 PM MDT
Transfer to Afghanistan 'extremely unlikely' for Wyo troops

While the Pentagon is transferring some troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, it very likely will not do so with Wyoming Army National Guard troops deploying this week for Kuwait, the Guard's top officers said Tuesday.

www.trib.com...


Why in the world are we deploying our units to Kuwait???? That is, at least the Wyoming National Guards.


IMO they are readying our troops for another fight, maybe against Iran?

Some of the troops are also being sent to Kosovo??

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Those behind the curtains are blind.
They believe they can sit safely behind a table, spew out orders, and control the masses...yet they fail to comprehend it will never happen.
I wouldn't worry too much over this so called "invasion". It's mere scare tactics.