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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Ah, I didn't know that thinking logically was to be apathetic to the real possibility of part of the U.S. being attacked with nuclear weapons by a crazy Communist dictator who knows he can't last much longer yet is hoping to go out with a big bang...
I didn't know that "thinking logically" involved being apathetic about the loss of American lives, and then "just to save face" to attack after being nuked with some regular missiles...
I would have thought that "thinking logically' actually involves trying to stop a nuclear attack on U.S. soil "before" it happened, and caring for the lives of your fellow Americans...
[edit on 2-7-2009 by ElectricUniverse]
Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
reply to post by Spartak_FL
Actually using chemical warfare they can "win" south korea in 2 or 3.
So now the news about NK are starting to come up. Last weak "poor NK if they start a war, they have no means" now reports start to come up that it isnt so, and that they have missiles capable of reaching "half" the US... and now every american starts to think "oh... maybe they can"...
Next weak some report will come up that their arsenal contains a LOT MORE than the puny 6 nukes (lets call it... 100) equipable in ICBMs and yes... they can reach ANYWHERE in the US...
Great... I'm happy the americans are opening their eyes to the NK menace. Its serious... dont mock what you dont know or do not understand.
their power to destroy america is far more REAL than the stupid missile shield you all think its going to save the US from having a few cities leveled.
And as for the NK army... they have a lot more "guts" then the average G.I... in man-to-man fight... I would bet on the NK guy.
Enjoy the ride if this is all true.
Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
reply to post by Jim Scott
Well... if MAD still exists and like you said and absolutely correct it stands for Mutual Assured Destruction... now... key word - MUTUAL. Se where mutual comes in?
So, you are saying they don't stand a chance, but they stand a chance. Makes sense to you, does it? Have you served on-site like I have? Would you know first-hand like I do?
As for South Korea... no, they dont stand a chance. The only reason they're still there is because the US is there covering their asses and if they move against SK they would have to deal with an all-out war, which they weren't prepared until maybe now.
You have greatly exaggerated the lack of preparedness of SK. Imagine a country where freeways can be converted to runways in minutes. Where rivers can be redirected to flood armies. Where bridges can be rapidly changed. Where railroads are restricted to mass use, like Europe between countries. Imagine a country that is outfitted for all-out war for fifty years. Then tell me they aren't ready. You haven't been there to see it. It's not like the good-old USA urban setting. You should talk to some other military that have served in SK as I have. Find out from them if you don't believe me. PS: The SK soldier is one tough soldier. They were one of the most feared soldiers in the Vietnam war. I was in that, too. While the US homeboys were fighting like soldiers, the ROK soldiers were mutilating NVN bodies and hanging trophy body parts on their bodies. They were animals.
SK is not a nation of war... NK is. And that pretty much says it all about a "supposed" conflict between them. NK has born warriors... the mentality and indoctrination of their army transcends everything learned in SK or even the US.
Like some said in other thread, they can withstand far more losses than the US can. Some gave the example of Russia... you think they care about losing 1 million man defending their country... no. They wont... and they will keep defending it. Is the US willing to lose 1 million men? Or even 500k?
Strategically, NK is the living hell for anyone that gets in there. What are the US targets? Pyongyang? Sure they care... They will still get power from "god knows where in their mountains up there which neither you, me or even the oh-so-powerful US army knows where they are. Its a harsh terrain... if you wanna win a war if you have to go IN... on foot. And that is a problem is NK. The US army is not prepared to face the situations, terrain advantages, difficulties that lie ahead and rend most of the "most powerful weapons" useless... M1 - useless in mountains for example, but NK does have tanks specially designed for it. Air Force... well the US is used to "clean space" long range missiles and long range combat... well... in NK, terrain topology suggests that they would be in advantage flying low in between the mounts in close range dog fights, which the US isnt quite used to. So that rends all the "long range" capability of the US air force... join that with the constant training of the NK AF which you still underestimate because they use migs. Now the migs have a tough maneuverability for the US to match. Plus the AF in NK seems to come out of nowhere within seconds (see the case of the US spy plane which was kindly escorted out by 2 of them and the "SPY PLANE" didnt even see them coming... one minute and they were side by side with it.
There was some simulations done in the 90s, I cant find the link I'm sorry, which gave NK victory over the US using both nuclear and conventional war.
I dont mean to bash the US army or anything with this... I just mean to warn all the people that think the NK is a "piece of cake" and keep underestimating NK because they dont have the latest technology when "old stuff" can still bring you down... and yes, the AK-47 still has quite a punch and it is still stronger and more durable than the modern more sophisticated equivalents.
I just say... dont underestimate your enemy. The guy didnt stop the nuclear program... the US did nothing. They enrich plutonium, the US did nothing. They have their leader saying he wants to eliminate the US from the face of the planet, the US did nothing... now seems like they have nuclear capability of reaching half (and that I think is a "safe" call just to... well not create over-panic cause I would bet its a little more that "half") and the US still does nothing... I'm glad the US Armed Forces dont underestimate their enemy like people in here do, cause they know what they're up against and they know it will be ugly... so better stay quiet.
Saddam didnt do or say 1/10th of what NK did, had 1/100th of what NK has, and got bombed to oblivion in 2 or 3 consecutive nights.