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North Korean Rocket Capable Of Hitting Half The U.S: Scientists

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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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North Korean Rocket Capable Of Hitting Half The U.S: Scientists


www.bernama.com

Quoting MIT professor Theodore Postol and a physicist at the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) David Wright, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported Wednesday that the rocket could fly even further as of over 10,000 kilometres, if the rocket is turned into a missile. "We estimate that it could have a range of 10,000-10,500 kilometers, allowing it to reach Alaska, Hawaii, and roughly half of the lower 48 states," they said in an article posted this week on the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
(visit the link for the full news article)


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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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If this is true that NK missiles could reach not only Alaska but about half of the lower U.S. states, I think that the U.S. will use military action against NK.

The article also states in detail how the scientists reached this conclusion.

I do not want the U.S. to get involved in another war, and I have stated in the past that the U.S. will be lured into another war to separate us more from our allies, and to plant even more seeds of hatred against the U.S.

We might not have any other alternative than to attack NK unfortunately, but I hope this situation can be solved before any military action is taken.

www.bernama.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 2-7-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Good find, I always though that all the talk of "nothing to worry about they cant reach us" was a bunch of bs, i am sure we truly dont know just what they have and how far it will go.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:27 AM
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So a payload of 1 metric tonne? Hmm that could potentially be quite nasty, how big a nuke (or should I say how powerful) could you get into a 1,000kg package?

Even worse could be bio attack, man any thing, even just plain old high explosives delivered to the US in that way would be literally suicide for NK... I don't even think China would stand by lil Kimmy after a stunt like that.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Will NK hit us before the Red Dawn remake in 2010 showing the Chinese as invaders? Hmmm......

NK nukes -> China invades -> Russia backs and funds

Neat.

There's also a video game written by the author of Red Dawn where NK invades the U.S. due out around that time as well, Homefront. I can't wait for the new Cold War. I miss the old one.

It's not my half of the country they're nuking. Can't say I'll miss the old West coast much.

Something tells me we could easily knock NK missiles from the sky as long we dont have another one of those "NORAD just stood down" days.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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I dont think we have a reliable allie left to speak of. Isreal doesnt seem to like us very much anymore. If we do go against NK, however, i think it may do something to better our relations with NK's enemies like japan, and perhaps isreal, as i always like to beleive (out of hearsay) that mohmmad amadinjad and kim jong ill, being isolated dictators, might seek advice supplies and support from one another.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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Ahmadinejad is not a dictator,anyway.Just because they think it could travel that far doesn't mean it actually *can*..plus N.Korea isn't stupid enough to launch a missile at America,it would be shot down before it makes it anywhere near the coast,North korea knows this and knows what the retaliation will be.And im pretty sure with American spy satellites they already know about most of N.Koreas infamous vast tunnel systems and bunkers in the mountains etc.

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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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This is a bunch of F'ing mind washing propoganda hogwash. Period. It's just freaking amazing how they were hardly able to hit Hawaii, if that, just last month and now they can wipe out half of the U.S.

Hmmmm, wonder why that is? Oh, so we can have ourselves another little war. Have the keep the MIC going strong or their money will dry up.

Joke!



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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when did we go back to 2003 and iraq?


and look how that turned out.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Who would want to waste their nukes on Alaska?



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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It's all hypothetical and based on North Korean press statements. No North Korean long range missile test has been entirely successful or reached a splash down distance more than 2,000 miles. 10,000 Km works out roughly to 6,200 miles. It will take more than just empty words to demonstrate a reliable capability to fly those other unproven 4,200 miles.

A missile would have to travel roughly 4,500 miles to hit Hawaii and around 3,600 to hit mainland Alaska.

This graphic shows the maximum stated ranges (not proven) of some of North Korea's missiles. The red dot represents as far as they have gotten so far.



Relax folks, all bases are covered, so to speak.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
It's all hypothetical and based on North Korean press statements. No North Korean long range missile test has been entirely successful or reached a splash down distance more than 2,000 miles. 10,000 Km works out roughly to 6,200 miles. It will take more than just empty words to demonstrate a reliable capability to fly those other unproven 4,200 miles.

A missile would have to travel roughly 4,500 miles to hit Hawaii and around 3,600 to hit mainland Alaska.

This graphic shows the maximum stated ranges (not proven) of some of North Korea's missiles. The red dot represents as far as they have gotten so far.



Relax folks, all bases are covered, so to speak.


Ditto

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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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You are pretty much claiming, that nomatter how many times an enemy has tried, just because of some past failures, that it will fail again.

No offense, but I find that sort of attitude as being a bit naive, and simply underestimating an enemy just because of some past failures.

Underestimating enemies in the history of mankind has cost many nations the lives of many people, and even their entire civilization.

Anyway, here is an excerpt from the Union of Concerned Scientists about the Unha-2 platform, which is different from the previous platforms used by NK to launch their missiles.


Analysis of the Unha-2. Combining this information with results of analyses of past tests and computer modeling of the launcher allows us to develop a fairly detailed understanding of the Unha-2. While some uncertainties in missile parameters remain, calculations using this model of the launcher are consistent with all of the known data about the launch and show that it could have placed a satellite with a mass of a few hundred kilograms into orbit at about an altitude of 500 kilometers.

The Unha-2 launcher was expected to be a three-stage variant of the Taepodong-2 missile that North Korea began developing in the 1990s but has never successfully launched. We conclude from our analysis that the second and third stages of the launcher represent significantly more advanced technology than North Korea has launched in the past. We believe that its extremely unlikely that these technologies were indigenously produced by North Korea.

Pyongyang has released a video showing the launcher shortly before and during launch; these pictures allowed us to determine the relative sizes of the launcher's stages. Assuming the first-stage diameter is 2.4 meters, which is the diameter that has long been discussed for the first stage of the Taepodong-2 missile, fixes the rest of the dimensions. These are shown here PDF. Based on the dimensions of the stages, we can estimate their masses using estimates of the structure mass and the density of the propellant.

Overall, the launcher has a length of roughly 30 meters and a mass of 80-85 metric tons. We believe the first stage uses a cluster of four Nodong engines housed in a single missile casing and sharing a common fuel tank. The Nodong engine is essentially a scaled-up version of the engine used in the Soviet Scud-B missile. This engine is likely of Russian origin.

www.thebulletin.org...

Here is the entire pdf. research article form the Union of Concerned Scientists.
www.ucsusa.org...

Underestimating an enemy is always dangerous. More so when such an enemy is as crazy as Kim, and has the help of other countries, such as Russia, and China, which are "enemies", and not friends like they claim of the U.S.



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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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While North Korea could hurt the US somewhat, they have an extremely limited capacity to do so. A couple of nukes would hurt, but would cause no real damage to the US as a whole. And once they've shot their wad, then what? As long as you don't try attacking them in revenge, nothing.

I'd say simply ignore them, even if they nuke us. If you must do something to save face, drop a few cruise missiles on what little they have that's worth wasting a cruise missile on and forget about it. By the time they could build more missiles another generation or two will go by.

It would be a terrible military mistake to invade NK to "punish" them. There's no upside to it: a nightmare terrain populated by desperate fanatics with no reward if you "win". Big "if"...the terrain is worse than Afghanistan to fight in.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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?? You are kidding right?.... Oh it doesn't matter if they nuke part of the U.S. just let them nuke us, and if maybe 200,000 or more Americans are murdered.... Let's just drop some non-nuclear missiles "just to save face"....

What the hell is wrong with you?....

BTW, I am not advising to invade with ground troops NK, but rather we should take seriously taking out their capability to launch these missiles, and even destroy their nuclear weapons reactors befrore they use them to make more nuclear weapons, and use them against us, or even against Japan.

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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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Oh come on!
This is just so much more *self edit* planned puppeteering by TPTB.

Now don’t get me wrong, I believe Kim’s had the ability to whack us a long time ago - BUT - we’re supposed to think that now, only now after this threat has been alive and kicking for AGES - only now - today - are we going to hear Kim can really bite?

Gawd they could have at least waited until tomorrow.
I mean after years of there being not a one possibility we should even take Kim seriously, and now the day of the tests - SURPRISE the MSM is blowing a party favor in our ears and reporting - yep you got it - Kim can ram it right up the heartland of America?

Sorry, if this had come out a few months ago - or even a month ago I’d be up for it - but now it’s just more propaganda fear mongering.

(The timing not the facts he can reach out and touch the USA)...

UGH!
Its like earlier the news report (today) stating the N. Korean tests have been planned for quite a while and the USA was informed they’d be going on.

What a crock this all is!


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posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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what is the liklihood that their missle would make it even half way in route.

i think the cia is blowing more smoke up people's skirts about this issue. if the usa is not on top of this guy than we have a serious problem with our defense system.

i feel that there is more going on here than north korea.

none of this makes sense.

plus, i fully expect a mass information campaign to be taking place.... which it seems to be doing.

if the guy wants to try to get a sateliite in orbit, then let him. why can't he have one?

maybe we could be a bit nicer to people instead of carrying a big stick and breathing down people's necks all the time.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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A couple of nukes would hurt, but would cause no real damage to the US as a whole.


I can’t even believe I’m reading those words.

Are you serious?

Are you deranged?? (Question not an accusation)...??

A couple a nukes wouldn’t *hurt* or cause *real damage*???

Oh my God.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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What in the world is the difference if this had come out a couple months ago?....

What makes this less believable that it came out now, and not 2 months ago?....

This report is not from TPTB, but from the Union of Concerned Scientists, which is a non-profit science advocacy group.

Some of the smartest scientists in the U.S. are part of this group..


The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) is a nonprofit science advocacy group based in the United States. The UCS membership includes many private citizens in addition to professional scientists. Emeritus Professor Kurt Gottfried, a former senior staffer at CERN, currently chairs the UCS Board of Directors.
The Union of Concerned Scientists was founded in 1969 by faculty and students of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, located in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Scientists formed the organization to "initiate a critical and continuing examination of governmental policy in areas where science and technology are of actual or potential significance" and "devise means for turning research applications away from the present emphasis on military technology toward the solution of pressing environmental and social problems."[2] The organization employs scientists, economists, engineers engaged in environmental and security issues, as well as executive and support staff.

en.wikipedia.org...

Since this is NOT comming from TPTB, have you thought about the possibility that TPTB know about this and wanted to keep it secret until an atomic weapon was launched and hit part of the U.S. to implement more of their Socialist Dictatorship plan?....



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by dariousg
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Hmmmm, wonder why that is? Oh, so we can have ourselves another little war. Have the keep the MIC going strong or their money will dry up.

Joke!


dariousg is smart...



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