Thousand of years ago people thought the world was going to end a few years from them. And today we still worry about it. The bible has lied to us many times on events that never happened. Also the earth is very young age of 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). 21012 is just another year followed by 2013. Like the bible says no one can predict the end of the world. Thus proving the Mayans false.

They knew that on the year 2012 on the 21 st of December that the sun will align in the center of our galaxy.
On that day the earth's polarity will shift Creating stress on the earths crust. nobody Knows the degree of devastation that will occur.
And all of this has been proven By science.
This phenomenon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we haven't been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here.


Almost every... "theory" on 2012 can be proved wrong.

If the Mayans were that smart to predict the end of the "world", than how come they got wiped out by Cortez? Hmm.. I guess they didnt predict him coming. The Mayans in the first place were obviously not trying to predict anything. They were just simply writing and calendar and died.

And for Nostradamus... well he's just full of Sh--. You're going to believe some random philosopher when some people don't believe in Jesus? I mean seriously, get over yourselves. Nostradamus was not a super hero. He did not have special powers. He was a regular Human being.

AND, most of these "2012" sites are selling equipment(knives, radios, gas masks, etc.) Why would you need this money if the earth is ending in 3 years? So you can hand it over to a tornado and maybe that tornado wont suck you up? OHH I know, the comet coming down on earth might be in debt and could use that extra cash! Yea!! DUHH.

Yup, and NASA denies the sun entering the middle of the Galaxy. They can also CLEARLY see that there wont be any "comet" heading for earth in the next 3 years.

So... in reality there are no possible ways for the earth to end in 2012. And if it does, it was the work of God, and He is taking those who deserve it to a better place, and leaving the murderers, and other bad people on Earth to burn in Hell.

I guarantee 2012 is going to happen, its the logical progression after dec. 31 2011. So there!! LOL

If the OP wasn't so mean spirited i might have given him some credit. he gave no facts to back up his point. Putting your head in the sand and saying "it isn't going to happen" doens't make you right.

Actually THEY DID predict the arrival of the spanish, they said that white bearded gods would come across the seas, they predicted the date and got it right.

They also knew there was a black hole in the center of our galaxy.

How did they know that back then??

And you also say, "almost every theorey" So that means that there are theories which havent been proven hoaxes which invalidates your entire thread.

"""""This phenomenon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we haven't been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here. """""""""""

Of course the Earth is still here, do you honestly think that continents shifting will destroy the entire earth??????!!!!!!

This Thread has got me fuming..

Originally posted by xweaponx
They knew that on the year 2012 on the 21 st of December that the sun will align in the center of our galaxy.
On that day the earth's polarity will shift Creating stress on the earths crust. nobody Knows the degree of devastation that will occur.
And all of this has been proven By science.
This phenomenon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we haven't been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here.

So you say 2012 isn't going to happen but then go on to state that there will be a pole shift as if it were a fact? and if it were true what makes you so damn confident that this event won't have catastrophic consequences for mankind? "end of the world" doesn't necessary only mean that Earth will be obliterated.

Originally posted by xweaponx
If the Mayans were that smart to predict the end of the "world", than how come they got wiped out by Cortez? Hmm.. I guess they didnt predict him coming. The Mayans in the first place were obviously not trying to predict anything. They were just simply writing and calendar and died.

It could be because you can't look up at the heavens and see what your next door neighbour is doing.

Our calendar correlates to the Earth's orbit around the sun, I doubt the Mayan's made the long count calendar for the fun of it.

[edit on 2-7-2009 by mc1km]

Can someone here give me a scientific reason for this 2012?
Why didn't Nostradomus find this one out?

I've seen these posts before but never asked the question, how? Why? can anyone explain the math?

Consider me a newbie to this whole 2012 thing.

Give me facts, data, hopes, guesses. . .

I really am curious. Not snarky.

"And if it does, it was the work of God, and He is taking those who deserve it to a better place, and leaving the murderers, and other bad people on Earth to burn in Hell. "


A good example of dogma.

Originally posted by xweaponx

They knew that on the year 2012 on the 21 st of December that the sun will align in the center of our galaxy.
On that day the earth's polarity will shift Creating stress on the earths crust. nobody Knows the degree of devastation that will occur.

Well on 21/12/12 what actually happens is both the inner and outer universe align perfectly. With regards to polar flips well yes indeed they happen every 26,560 yrs-ish which means there is a time of instability as the earth adjusts it's rotation and alignment based on it's poles. The polar flip will mean that our North and South poles move to completely different places and it could be as extreme as the equator becoming the polar regions whilst the polar regions become the equator. Obviously this will lead to the sea rises as the permafrost as is now will melt causing sea levels to rise and also a magnificent release of locked gases. Will we survive? For the most part of course we will!

Originally posted by xweaponx
And all of this has been proven By science.
This phenomenon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we haven't been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here.

Yes it has happened many times and can be accounted for as a great deluge in historical allegorical writings.

Originally posted by xweaponx
Almost every... "theory" on 2012 can be proved wrong.

Every scaremongering theory yes!!

Originally posted by xweaponx
If the Mayans were that smart to predict the end of the "world", than how come they got wiped out by Cortez? Hmm.. I guess they didnt predict him coming. The Mayans in the first place were obviously not trying to predict anything. They were just simply writing and calendar and died.

The Mayans did not predict the end of the world. They predicted the end of a cycle. Those of a hippy inclination will tell you that when the universes align it is the start of the true age of Aqaurius. In any event the Mayans were master astronomers who could predict the movements of the night sky, not whether or not they would be successful in the hunt the next day or be killed etc.

Originally posted by xweaponx
And for Nostradamus... well he's just full of Sh--. You're going to believe some random philosopher when some people don't believe in Jesus? I mean seriously, get over yourselves. Nostradamus was not a super hero. He did not have special powers. He was a regular Human being.

Now you're beginning to irritate... most people read Nostradamus with interest NOT belief!! The way his writings were attempted to be manipulated following 9/11 show exactly how his writings have been manipulated over the years.

Originally posted by xweaponx
AND, most of these "2012" sites are selling equipment(knives, radios, gas masks, etc.) Why would you need this money if the earth is ending in 3 years? So you can hand it over to a tornado and maybe that tornado wont suck you up? OHH I know, the comet coming down on earth might be in debt and could use that extra cash! Yea!! DUHH.

Clearly scaremongering sites.

Originally posted by xweaponx
Yup, and NASA denies the sun entering the middle of the Galaxy. They can also CLEARLY see that there wont be any "comet" heading for earth in the next 3 years.

NASA - nuff said!

Originally posted by xweaponx
So... in reality there are no possible ways for the earth to end in 2012. And if it does, it was the work of God, and He is taking those who deserve it to a better place, and leaving the murderers, and other bad people on Earth to burn in Hell.

Well actually if we go back to the polar flip argument then potential for mass destruction does exist but not necessarily a wipeout!!

[edit on 2-7-2009 by Belladonic Haze]

lol at the OP for not showing back up..

who cares if '2012' will happen or not.. we need to get through this year alive..

Originally posted by xweaponx
Thousand of years ago people thought the world was going to end a few years from them. And today we still worry about it. The bible has lied to us many times on events that never happened. Also the earth is very young age of 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). 21012 is just another year followed by 2013. Like the bible says no one can predict the end of the world. Thus proving the Mayans false.

So you're saying that the bible lied to us, yet it's the reason why the Mayans are wrong? That's a little funny. Ohh and as far as you've been TOLD the Earth is only 4.55 Billion years old. Think about that..

This phenomenon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we haven't been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here.

What humans haven't been here for 26 thousand years? Last time I checked we've been here almost 200 thousand years.

Almost every... "theory" on 2012 can be proved wrong.

If the Mayans were that smart to predict the end of the "world", than how come they got wiped out by Cortez? Hmm.. I guess they didnt predict him coming. The Mayans in the first place were obviously not trying to predict anything. They were just simply writing and calendar and died.

Again, what you've been told and what happened are two very different things friend.

Yup, and NASA denies the sun entering the middle of the Galaxy. They can also CLEARLY see that there wont be any "comet" heading for earth in the next 3 years.

You believe what NASA says to you? Wow, you are more gullible than the 2012 folks then.

Look, saying with certainty that something won't happen is stupid. You don't know what will happen as I don't know what will happen. Let's all stop pretending we know what's going on and just wait and find out.

~Keeper

Originally posted by blind.face
lol at the OP for not showing back up..

who cares if '2012' will happen or not.. we need to get through this year alive..

I don't even think by the year ha ha... day by day!!!

I was in another forum and i remember having the same discussion in 1999.
Who here can predict what the next end date will be? im thinking 2021 will be said to be the next date.

Okay, the argument is all over the board and nothing was said in the original post. would you like to break that down a bit?

I think it may be sarcasm as any date could be chosen by anyone as the end of the world and base it on something historical!