It seems here, that there is somewhat of a mis-perception of how many people do not "believe" U.F.O.s exist when it comes to the percieved consensus from the general public.

I would like to know if there is anyone, at all anymore, that...

A) denies the existence of U.F.O.s?

B) think everything is identifiable? And finally

C) believe the entire idea of an "unidentifiable object" is foolery or rubbish?

It is of my opinion, that true U.F.O.s are exactly that, unidentifiable, until there is a scientific way of identifying such objects. Then they become whatever they truly are.

Certainly, most are in fact easily identifiable, some take some serious study to be identified, and on rare occasion are indeed unidentifiable. But is there ayone anymore that believes all U.F.O. accounts are simply made up?

From the internet I would say there is a consensus that has been made, and that is those true U.F.O.s (UNidentified flying objects) are of either a higher degree of technology that most humanity is unaware of, or is of some sort technology from a non human source.

My point here, is that the believers (unknowingly) have seemingly won the battle of "do they exist or not?" And therefore, it is more appropriate, at this stage, to be questioning what in fact these objects are (the unidentified of course) and how do we find out more about them?

So, if there are those that deny the existence of anything unidentifiable in the skys of earth please speak up, and by all means state your reason.

I do think though any replies will be of those that believe, and we will not find many, if any, that outright deny the existence of such objects...kind of validating my point.

I am an ABSOLUTE believer. I would really like to hear a response from a UFO skeptic, to see their point of view.

Some Non-Believers try to prove UFOs non-existence with evidence they don't have.

In my opinion, the greatest evidence is the witnesses. Yeah, there have been heaps of Hoaxes over the years, but on the other hand there have been a lot of "un-debunkable" evidence put forth.

If a witness says it's a UFO, then to them, it truly is an Unidentified-Flying-Object. No one watching their video, or looking at their photograph can ever be too critical, because, well, they them selfs were never there.

I will always have an open, accepting mind. I will always look at evidence in too ways. First, I will look at it from the witnesses point of view and second I will look at it from a skeptics point of view. This helps by filtering out my own personal responses, and basing fact on scientific evidence.

The only real time we will ever know the truth is if we 1. Get a global disclosure or 2. We actual get visited by one.


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The problem with this sort of "poll" is that you will not get an objective sample on a board like this... Try ask in the local newspaper and results will be wildly different.. unfortunately.

PS. I 110% believe extraterrestrial beings have visited earth at some point in what we call UFO's.

reply to post by Wuushu

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Ya, I tend to agree. Surely ATSers are more on the believers side, but I still think even outside ATS that most people will recognize the fact U.F.O.s exist in one form or another.

Even grandma and grandpa are more willing to say, well heck, theres gotta be something goin on up there!

I think this has heavily to do with websites such as ATS and others. The gap has widened and almost competely overtaken those that deny U.F.O.s. exist.

Its almost like those that don't agree there are U.F.O.s are the unrational ones now...

shoes on the other foot sorta thing.

reply to post by Scooby Doo

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Hi, thanks for replying




I hear wher you are coming from, but I dont necessarily agree. I believe it can be confirmed in other ways.

It really is not the governments job to disclose anything. It would be huge if evidence was presented on the MSM though.

Then you have to remnember, if there is not continual contact and sharing of information, people will be skeptical anyway. like if they can not see it with their own eyes, or touch it with their own fingers kinda thing.

So, it is not important for everybody to believe, just coverage on a large scale, and whatever facts that are known, be presented.

To not believe there are no UFOs is like believing that the earth is the center of the universe. Selfish.

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I can see you point, but the only issue is that there is absolutely no real way we can properly and completely confirm the existence of UFOs or more less Extra Terrestrials.

If we are leaning towards confirming UFOs from just witnesses statements, videos or images, we are jumping to a hole other conclusion.

Lets look at the facts. If NASA ever discovered "extra terrestrial life" (science fans don't respond by saying they found bacteria) the last thing they would do sadly is a public announcement.

NASA is in fact a government branch, this is where I mean government disclosure, if NASA was ever to bring forward actual evidence, it would be disclosed by "Government" means.

And second, witness statements I am afraid is NOT physical evidence. I do sound a little overboard jumping to the fact that a visit from aliens is actual proof. But lets admit it, that is the definition of physical evidence.

I think the question is not about denying if they exist.

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I was more thinking along the lines of a unified body of experts or panel funded by a university. Maybe a large commercial investment firm looking for new technology.

there definitaly other ways than the government, but if there were a conclusion made, would the msm cover it?

that is the real kicker...

reply to post by tristar

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another great example of the battle that has been won.

your right, it is not if they exist or do not exist, but more what are they?

that has to be the focus. here at ATS, that leap has been made, but that answer needs to permeate the media so that the tough questions can be asked.

Still waiting for that denier...Any takers? U.F.O.s are bunk? made up? no such thing? Maybe they are all earth anomolies? Anyone not believe in U.F.O.s?

the universe is infinite, and time is not linear.

it's simple really:

probability of life (L) times infinite/time=infinite.

yes life does exist outside of earth. anything infinite time a probability will fulfill itself time permitting.

Yes, ETs exist. Yes they have visited us.

Case closed.

I have yet to see any hard evidence to suggest we are being visited by ET's. Its gonna take a lot more than some shakey camera footage to convince me, I'm afraid.
Also when things like the disclosure project are run by people like Stephen Greer i'm not goint to be able to take it seriously.

I believe science needs to play more of a role in Investigating UFO's I want to believe, I just need some scientific evidence backed up with a Government confirmation to really convince me.

I want to believe but dont want my desire to believe cloud my judgement


peas

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I do agree with you. That would be a more appropriate solution. The only trouble is where the real funding would come from.

In regards to the media, do we trust them enough with anything else?

We constantly come up with great evidence, and when has the media really ever taken that much interest? NEVER If you were to take a public poll on who believes in UFOs, you would get a very positive response. So why don't the media take any interest?

We could truly never really rely on the media as most of the time a story is usually is just a story, that don't care about the public, they care about the money.

If we spent as much time looking into UFOs as we did Phil Spector, imagine what we would achieve.

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A) denies the existence of U.F.O.s?

I deny the existence of ALIEN UFO's

B) think everything is identifiable?

Of course not everything will be identifiable to us. Lots of cool toys being tested everday.

C) believe the entire idea of an "unidentifiable object" is foolery or rubbish?

For everyday citizens the idea isn't rubbish. For someone who works on these projects the idea of unidentifiable objects will seem like rubbish, because they know what it is.

reply to post by woodwardjnr

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Thanks! Notice I have not used ET or anything of the sort. I have no idea whether or not some life form has visited us, or if some life form existed before us here on this planet or whether there is some form of extra-dimensional life that has been here.

I am strictly interested to know if anyone denies there are phenomena happening in the skys above our head (and in some cases in our waters)?

Do you think the can all be explained by conventional aircraft or natural phenomena? Im under the impression the majority takes the other route, while the minority would deny th existence of anything strange going on in the clouds at all and can be easily explained with the right amount of information.

reply to post by jd140

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Ok. Im sorry, are you saying that the concept of a U.F.O is rubbish or is not?

When i say unidentifiable, I mean along the lines of conventional wisdom. Unidentifiable in the sense of where human understanding currently lies.
I don't really like to speculate on what U.F.O.s are. I haven't a clue. I like to postulate though that considering they are unidentified, they could be anything.

I would definitely consider that in some instances, there seems to be evidence that current human technology does not give a satisfactory explanation of what was seen or recorded.

So, just to be clear are you on the side of the fence that believes all U.F.O.s could be identified with a "closer look"?

Ok, i believe there are things that are unidentified in the sky. Having seen what some call a UFO cluster with my very own eyes. I cant explain it. So I can't deny the phenomena. I just believe, more study needs to be done before we start jumping to any conclusions of their origins

reply to post by woodwardjnr

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cool..I totally agree.

See this is my point. Where say 10, 20 years ago, some people would easily pop up and say "oh ya, everything is identifiable. ive never seen a UFO..haha...this is a non sense topic"

wher today, skeptics even acknowledge there is something goin on up there, and they cant identify what it is. that is the major difference.

today, in my opinion , there needs to be independent investigations. Universities should be involved. science has to step up and say this is a valid subject. this needs to be studied, verified or thoroughly debunked.

i mean, if there is something to it, and humans are not responsible, could you imaging the leaps in science, understanding?... it could affect every part of our lives if a discovery could be made.

it would basically be the bigest discovery of all time.

I wouldn't presume to be able to identify everything in the sky as identifiable with a closer look.

Do I think everything in the sky that is a piloted object made by humans? Yes I do.

The fact is that we really don't know what we are able to accomplish technology wise. There is technology that is top secret and I would think that some of that, if made public, would change our perspective of what we are able to do in the sky.

Here you are, just responding to the first part you quote. a beuatiful sunny day perfect for British Airways to shoot their promotrional video of their newly acquired concord as a television commercial until an unexpected visitor happened to come in uninvited.

YouTube Link

You could also happen to click on this link to view further real life evidence. If your waiting on some little green men landing on television or some politician confirming their existence and subsequent earth habitation, well, your in for a long wait, unless they choose to do otherwise.