The Military Invades U.S. Schools: How Military Academies Are Being Used to Destroy Public Education, page 4
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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 08:24 PM by cyberdude78
Seeing as I'm in the military I guess that makes me a dumbed down, brainwashed psychopath? Funny, in high school I went undefeated in classroom debates (granted that's not saying much, I did go to a public school after all), and I captained my school's scholastic bowl team for three years in a row. Not bad considering that the vast majority of the other kids in the classroom are currently attending college, and my competition for scholastic bowl captaining all went to good schools after graduation. I also had plenty of friends, a loving family, and was respected by most of the school faculty.

Now here I am, about a year into my first enlistment responsible for an aircraft that costs over $200,000,000. Hell, I've changed parts no bigger than your head that cost more than most people's cars. And I'm also about half way to my associates degree, virtually the same amount of progress I'd be making if I went to college. The difference is I didn't pay a single cent for any of it, rather they're paying me.

And I owe it all to my recruiter who I met towards the end of my junior year of high school when I was just sixteen. He didn't waste any time BSing me, he didn't use any fancy gimmicks like all the college recruiters I've seen. All he did was give me the facts, tell me what kinds of benefits I could get, and what was required to get in. Just over a year later after working to prepare I was in basic training with a future.

I'm making good progress getting a degree, I have no outstanding debt, I've got good health insurance, good life insurance, and I've got a paying job that let's me do things I'd never get to do as a civilian. It's not for everyone, but my experience has been pretty positive.

Which brings me back to the original topic of military academies being used to help fix the public school system. I really can't say it's a bad idea. At this point the education system needs something that works, and as it's been said, the military gets results. Discipline, integrity, and courage are just some of the many things that the military can teach like none other. In all the time I spent in public schools I never once saw any attempt at making a moral impact on the kids.

Can you imagine the outrage that would happen if a public school tried to teach or even encourage positive character building? The parents would be in an uproar.



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 08:32 PM by RedGolem
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Cyberdude
thanks for your post. You gave a lot of good information. All from your exsperence.
Stared it.



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 09:07 PM by bobbylove321
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You could say whatever you want. You can't even imagine the stuff I can do.

I don't work for my money. Enough said.

So you can go kill all the "insurgents" you want, while I go buy myself some $300 champagne and sit back and kick it.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 09:10 PM by bobbylove321
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Actually get it right if you want to address me. I don't sit in my basement, but a proper $1 million dollar house all paid for in cash by me.

And you need to learn some history because the military is not about helping anybody. The ideology of the military is about conquering lands, killing people, and stealing money. Nothing more to it than that.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 09:52 PM by mikerussellus
Originally posted by bobbylove321
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post by mikerussellus



Actually get it right if you want to address me. I don't sit in my basement, but a proper $1 million dollar house all paid for in cash by me.

And you need to learn some history because the military is not about helping anybody. The ideology of the military is about conquering lands, killing people, and stealing money. Nothing more to it than that.


And how much time have you spent in the military? Have you any sense of the sacrifices made by the men and women who enlist? Have you read history? Have you talked/visited a military base?

Or has sitting in your million dollar house granted you all knowing powers that you don't need to actually read, talk, or spend time with this subject before commenting on it?


Doesn't matter.
I will still fight for your right to say anything you want.
I will still fight so you can live in your million dollar house, because that is the kind of man that I am.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 09:57 PM by bobbylove321
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I don't want to go and talk to military personnel or visit any bases because I simply don't care.

What I'm saying is that there's a hierarchy.

Some of us are at the top and we don't simply care about anything else because we are not suffering from the economy, health care, foreclosures, etc.

Then there's others who want to go and defend our "freedom". Do I have respect for them? No, cause I don't care.

Everyone has control over their lives and makes what they want of it. There's no reason for people to "thank" others for trying to "help" because we don't want that help.

So no "thanks" here given at all. If people want to risk their lives and fight "insurgents" when they have no idea what the truth behind the scenes is anyways, then they get what comes to them.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 10:11 PM by jerico65
Originally posted by bobbylove321
I don't want to go and talk to military personnel or visit any bases because I simply don't care.


Psst, let me let you in on a little secret. We don't care, either.


Originally posted by bobbylove321
What I'm saying is that there's a hierarchy. Some of us are at the top and we don't simply care about anything else because we are not suffering from the economy, health care, foreclosures, etc.


You are a hoot!! Are you taking this show on the road? I mean, dinner theater or something? I promise to tip the waitress, too. And I'll try the veal.

Your faux elitist attitude is just spot on.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Then there's others who want to go and defend our "freedom". Do I have respect for them? No, cause I don't care.


As I said before, we don't care, either. I know I'm not losing any sleep over you living under that highway overpass in a cardboard box.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Everyone has control over their lives and makes what they want of it. There's no reason for people to "thank" others for trying to "help" because we don't want that help.


Well, I agree that everyone has control over their own lives and they can make what they want out of it.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
So no "thanks" here given at all. If people want to risk their lives and fight "insurgents" when they have no idea what the truth behind the scenes is anyways, then they get what comes to them.


And what is the "truth" you speak of? I mean, since according to you, everyone in the military doesn't have a clue.



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 10:18 PM by mikerussellus
Originally posted by bobbylove321
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post by mikerussellus



I don't want to go and talk to military personnel or visit any bases because I simply don't care.

What I'm saying is that there's a hierarchy.

Some of us are at the top and we don't simply care about anything else because we are not suffering from the economy, health care, foreclosures, etc.

Then there's others who want to go and defend our "freedom". Do I have respect for them? No, cause I don't care.

Everyone has control over their lives and makes what they want of it. There's no reason for people to "thank" others for trying to "help" because we don't want that help.

So no "thanks" here given at all. If people want to risk their lives and fight "insurgents" when they have no idea what the truth behind the scenes is anyways, then they get what comes to them.


-For a moment I thought you were Nancy Pelosi-

I think this post provides an excellent example for what I was talking about. The public school system (or private for that matter) doesn't provide the arena for learning respect, decorum, discipline, maturity.
Military school actally does. It does not have any caveats attached. It is just (in my opinion) a beter learning environment especially in this day and age where "old fashioned" concepts of decorum and patriotism are laughed at.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 10:21 PM by bobbylove321
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Everyone in the military that is fighting "insurgents" has no clue.

The people at the top of the military such as the generals, etc. think they know what the real agenda is, but not even they know the true 100% reason for why they are there.

It has nothing to do with freedom, money, or oil. It also has nothing to do with the new world order.

I'm not going to go into any more detail, but let's just say it has something to do with CERN (Hadron Collider). Do I know the real agenda? Yes.

As I stated there's a hierarchy. They bring the rich people out to invest in humanities future, so they get a little bit of insider info if you know what I mean.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 10:22 PM by bobbylove321
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I didn't go to a public school or a military school.

I wasn't home schooled either.

I went to a school that you are not going to hear about ever.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 10:30 PM by mikerussellus
Originally posted by bobbylove321
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post by mikerussellus



I didn't go to a public school or a military school.

I wasn't home schooled either.

I went to a school that you are not going to hear about ever.


Sadly, I was forced into private and military school. And only 6 years in college resulting in a meager masters degree.

I am obviously not at your level of sophistication or education. But being at the apex of society I'm sure that you can find it in your heart to forgive a poor result (such as myself) who had to endure countless years in a military academy.
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