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The Military Invades U.S. Schools: How Military Academies Are Being Used to Destroy Public Education

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posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:46 PM
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Ahh, Quoting the best site in the world. A site that can be edited by anyone, whenever they want. Good choice. Nice fail.




posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:47 PM
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well everyone wants democracy. but when they look at the model America is putting out, it is really hard to agree, 2 parties who runs the same policy over and over again. if USA went into my country today yeah i would fight back.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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It's the people who keep that happening. The Iraqis can do better if they care enough.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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Exactly, that's why parents pushed their kids to join that JROTC
where I grew up. From much workplace experience, most kids today need all the structure and discipline they can get. JROTC students also were required to maintain gpas and that is a good thing, the teachers generally are superior to either public or private schools.

Military academies used to be popular before they started getting coed in the 70s and 80s, I've never met anyone who went to one who regretted the experience outside of the same sex environment. Stop bashing the military unless you personally plan to save the country from attack.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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reply to post by Paveway27
 

tenpercent.wordpress.com...
www.alternet.org... btw i hope you take all 5 Million Orphans back to usa
www.justforeignpolicy.org...
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

is this enough for you sir?



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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you think USA is gonna allow a socialist party to take power if that was what the people wanted?



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Paveway27


Ahh, Quoting the best site in the world. A site that can be edited by anyone, whenever they want. Good choice. Nice fail.


Seriously?

If you're going to criticize someone for citing wikipedia, then you should at least check to see if the article sites sources before you make yourself look like an idiot.

The article in question is relating to the ORB research which is cited several times.



Further survey work undertaken by ORB, in association with its research partner IIACSS, confirms our earlier estimate that over 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have died as a result of the conflict which started in 2003.




By and large the results are in line with the ‘urban results’ and we now estimate that the death toll between March 2003 and August 2007 is likely to have been of the order of 1,033,000. If one takes into account the margin of error associated with survey data of this nature then the estimated range is between 946,000 and 1,120,000.


Source


Most of the people who have died as a result of our occupation are civilians. You army guys might not like to admit it, but that is the cost of war. We are killing far more than we are saving.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd
I think military recruiters should not be allowed on high school campuses, simply because the vast majority of high school students are minors, and they shouldn't be exposed to such coercion before they are mature enough to make such decisions for themselves. College night (or a similar event) is one thing, but when military recruiters are there every day (like at my high school), or they take over part of the school itself, there is a conflict of interest.


Recruiters came to my school, but only the 16+ kids were contacted.


Originally posted by drwizardphd
To give an example of how far military recruiting has gone down here in Florida, when my little brother was in middle school they had a career day. He came home from it with a bunch of Navy pamphlets, a hat and a poster. I asked him if he was interested in going into the navy and he said 'No, but they gave these to everyone'. In middle school! These kids are 12-15 years old, and they are already targets for recruiters.


Actually, they give them to the kids, they bring them home, and maybe an older brother or sister will read them and contact a recruiter. Last I checked, 12 year old kids weren't in the military.



Originally posted by drwizardphd
In my highschool, quite a few years ago the recruiters would drive this big H2 onto campus (it was just when those models were introduced, and they were the 'hip thing'). They had spinners on it, and would blast rap music out the back of it all day long while they sat at recruitment tables. Not only was it annoying as hell, but a completely lame attempt at luring kids into signing their lives away to the military.


Sounds like a good idea. The Army developed a video game to pitch their branch of the service.

And if the idea works, it's not "lame".



Originally posted by drwizardphd
I don't really have a problem with JROTC, because in my experience it was mostly the nerdier types who signed up for it, and most of the people I knew who were in it never went on to join the military. They would meet up after school and run drill routines (ironically at the same time/place as the cheerleaders
). Needless to say, we all got a chuckle out of the kids who thought it was cool to carry a plastic rifle around dressed in a light green scout uniform all day.


Oh, the "nerdier" types. Obviously, a cool chick magnet like you wouldn't be seen near the JROTC kids, right?


Most don't join, but have stated that they liked what they learned (discipline, etc). The military isn't for everyone.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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This isn't about recruitment. This is about military schooling. You may want to call it indoctrination but I call it a fair system. You have every oppoutunity to opt out. No obligation to join the actual military.

If discipline, hard work, good grades, developing a value system, being healthy are not for you, then don't join. Don't go to the school. Don't send your kids to that type of school.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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The real question that needs to be asked here is how can anything destroy the US public education system? Thats like me throwing a rock through the window of the burned up skeleton remains of a building and some bystander yelling at me for "destroying" said building.

I went to a public school and its filled with the rudest kids in the country that halt progress for those that actually want to learn and amount to something. Whats wrong with teaching kids discipline and respect early on in america?

I wish I was taught in a learning environment where these things were emphasized. Instead, I had to deal with kids who thrived on disrupting class because their parents are a joke. Its not like their parents or their society are going to teach them with garbage shows like "my sweet 16". Every idiot you see in the street breaking laws or causing problems started out as a class clown. They were never taught that their behavior was unacceptable and that has now manifested as their adult personality.

The military came and spoke to me when I was a senior. I said I wasn't interested and they moved on. You're not so important that they must recruit "you". There's millions of other kids willing to join and they'd much rather work with them.

Its also always fun to see "US Govt." on a caller ID. It always brings about a feeling of "oh #!". "Did I pay my taxes?" "Did they hear me say they do a horrible job at everything 4 months ago?" You start wondering if they're watching you debate whether you should answer the phone or not
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[edit on 1-7-2009 by Eitimzevinten]



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by danishD
reply to post by Paveway27
 

tenpercent.wordpress.com...
www.alternet.org... btw i hope you take all 5 Million Orphans back to usa
www.justforeignpolicy.org...
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

is this enough for you sir?


This enough, insurgents do not matter.
www.iraqbodycount.org...



Iraq Body Count March 19, 2003 - August 22, 2008 86,661 - 94,558 Iraq Coalition Casualty Count April 28, 2005 - August 22, 2008 43,099 Brookings Iraq Index May 2003 - August 14, 2008 113,616 The Associated Press April 2005 - February 13, 2008 34,832 dead 40,174 wounded The Iraq Family Health Study (the “WHO study”) March 2003 - June 2006 151,000



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by danishD
reply to post by Paveway27
 

tenpercent.wordpress.com...
www.alternet.org... btw i hope you take all 5 Million Orphans back to usa
www.justforeignpolicy.org...
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

is this enough for you sir?


I'll see your sources, and raise you by three:
www.abcnews.go.com...

www.timesonline.co.uk...

hotair.com...



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd
Most of the people who have died as a result of our occupation are civilians. You army guys might not like to admit it, but that is the cost of war. We are killing far more than we are saving.


Double check your sources. "We" aren't killing a lot of those civilians, they are being killed by insurgents. Last I checked, the US military didn't have "1975 Ford Stationwagon car bomb" in their inventory. And we don't target women and children in markets, either.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Recruiters came to my school, but only the 16+ kids were contacted.



A 16 year old is not old enough or mature enough to decide if s/he is willing to dedicate a large portion of his/her life to the military.


Originally posted by jerico65
Actually, they give them to the kids, they bring them home, and maybe an older brother or sister will read them and contact a recruiter. Last I checked, 12 year old kids weren't in the military.



Then why do they go to a middle school's career day? That is a pretty big leap of faith, to assume that the only reason they pass out info at these events is to target the students' older siblings. In fact its downright absurd.



Originally posted by jerico65
Sounds like a good idea. The Army developed a video game to pitch their branch of the service.

And if the idea works, it's not "lame".


This is another point of contention that I have with the military. Trying to equate actual service to a video game in the minds of children who play it is disgusting. A game holds no consequences, it is simply a fun way to pass time. When you kill someone in a game, their children don't go hungry.





Originally posted by jerico65
Oh, the "nerdier" types. Obviously, a cool chick magnet like you wouldn't be seen near the JROTC kids, right?


Most don't join, but have stated that they liked what they learned (discipline, etc). The military isn't for everyone.


What can I say? I call it like I see it. JROTC was a joke back when I was in high school. Not sure if its changed since then, but twirling plastic rifles and getting barked at by the Phys Ed coach was not my idea of a nice way to spend the afternoon.

By the way, I would support the military 110% if they actually fought to defend our country rather than fighting to make old rich people even richer. Our military has been nothing but a money making machine since after WW2, and our young men and women who join it are being stepped-on and taken advantage of quite unfairly.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Do you know what democracy is?

It's another term for Nazism. What good has democracy done to the U.S.?

It's making the government take away peoples' rights and turn the country into Socialism. There's no such thing as democracy. It's just an illusion to sucker people into thinking it's a peaceful Utopia.

Get real.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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omg he didnt say you killed them did he? he said that most of the people that dies of ocupation are civilians.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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You are right "we" aren't killing them. It's the Fascist American and NATO soldiers there that are raping and killing the people because they have been so dumbed down and brainwashed.

ANYONE who joins the military has or will have something mentally wrong with them. You are volunteering to kill people. This is the mentality of a total psycho.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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Dude that's the peoples fault, our citizens don't give a crap. Iraqis can do better. And its not Nazism and the voters have to care for democracy to work.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by bobbylove321
reply to post by jerico65
 


You are right "we" aren't killing them. It's the Fascist American and NATO soldiers there that are raping and killing the people because they have been so dumbed down and brainwashed.

ANYONE who joins the military has or will have something mentally wrong with them. You are volunteering to kill people. This is the mentality of a total psycho.


Well I wish i was in the military to help Iraqis. Only 120,000 civilians were killed and over half were killed by inurgents. I guess killing bombers is bad.



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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killing in general is bad.




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