reply to post by Totakeke
Snake, serpent whatever; people get up in arms when you say Jonah was eaten by a whale; "The bible doesn't say whale- it says Great Fish."
Let's just agree to call it a snake. Unless you want it to be something cooler, like a Dragon. I'm down for WHATEVA.
I do disagree, though. All that Eve knows is that God told her not to a while back, snake (or DRAGON!) comes up to her and says, "No, it's cool -
God says so."
Eve does NOT know snake is lying, for all Eve knows, snake is carrying new instructions from God; remember, the only talking things in the world are
Adam and Eve, God, and now this snake. Seems a little special, right?
And God says contradictory things all the time:
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two
and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
Good thing Noah guessed right, huh?
II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Apparently, he even confuses himself with Satan occasionally(?).
Anyway, once again, appreciate the response, but if all you're going to say is "God says so. Never changes his mind. Besides, being completely
innocent is no excuse - never trust a talking snake," then I'm not sure you're going to be able to satisfactorily answer my question.
Edit to add a response to Tinfoilman: The end of your post disturbs me greatly. The idea that God is ****ing with us is horrifying. You really
think that God would think, "They'll make an informed choice, even without knowledge of deceit," then take an alternate form and tell us it's okay
to eat from the tree and call that fair? "Oh, that's unfortunate. They believed me, what's wrong with them?" I hope that's not the case,
because even if God tomorrow came down and tied my shoe, right in front of me, but did THAT, I still wouldn't worship him/it. That's a dirty, dirty
And my example gets stronger if it wasn't a physical presence, but a spirit; how is Eve to know that it isn't a divine presence? God didn't make
her aware of evil, so the only thing it could be (based on her experience) is a divine presence - remember, the comprehensive list of everything that
talks on the planet is Eve, Adam, and God.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by '___'eviant]