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Originally posted by MichaelDII
reply to post by favouriteslave
Our Father did not want control, He wants companionship. If you stop thinking of him as a "God" one who dictates to you as tyrannical leader and start loving Him as Your Father you will begin to understand. Imagine a man here on earth that has 10 children who were raised with love by that man, 9 of them grow up and go about there lives doing whatever they want treating their brothers and sisters with disrespect and each of them causing pain in the lives of the rest and says to their father screw you I don't care about you I don't love you . This man has does have one child left who is loving, one who respects this man, its father, and understands the sacrifices through love and hard work he made in raising all 10 of them. Having one child who at least acknowledges him does make him happy and creates a source of joy in his life, but undoubtedly he longs to be loved by the rest of his children as he is their father even though he realizes that he has to let go and let them make their own mistakes even to their own detrement. Will this mans longing to have ALL of his children in his life ever go away? Would you ever stop loving your own child that hates you? No, hope would be in your heart until the day you die, making your lifes work so that you could show them the error of their ways. You are mistaken in thinking Our Father just wants control, He wants us to control ourselves. Will you continue to deny Your Father?
Originally posted by MichaelDII
reply to post by favouriteslave
Our Father did not want control, He wants companionship. If you stop thinking of him as a "God" one who dictates to you as tyrannical leader and start loving Him as Your Father you will begin to understand. Imagine a man here on earth that has 10 children who were raised with love by that man, 9 of them grow up and go about there lives doing whatever they want treating their brothers and sisters with disrespect and each of them causing pain in the lives of the rest and says to their father screw you I don't care about you I don't love you . This man has does have one child left who is loving, one who respects this man, its father, and understands the sacrifices through love and hard work he made in raising all 10 of them. Having one child who at least acknowledges him does make him happy and creates a source of joy in his life, but undoubtedly he longs to be loved by the rest of his children as he is their father even though he realizes that he has to let go and let them make their own mistakes even to their own detrement. Will this mans longing to have ALL of his children in his life ever go away? Would you ever stop loving your own child that hates you? No, hope would be in your heart until the day you die, making your lifes work so that you could show them the error of their ways. You are mistaken in thinking Our Father just wants control, He wants us to control ourselves. Will you continue to deny Your Father?
Originally posted by Jim Scott
reply to post by favouriteslave
The reason you are troubled and seek these answers is because the churches today are not teaching the original Christianity. www.abovetopsecret.com...
Reincarnation is not happening. What you are seeing is demonic possession. You don't come back here in another body, you die once.
[edit on 6-7-2009 by Jim Scott]
[edit on 6-7-2009 by Jim Scott]
Originally posted by favouriteslave
I like your way of thinking! For me that is easier to swallow than what traditional Christianity has taught. We can only hope that is the case and it is that easy. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I live a good life, if heaven were to present itself to me, I'd take it.
I'm agnostic. I don't believe a god has been proven or not. If he exists I cannot claim he is good. I don't know if a "heaven" or "hell" exists, it has not been proven. I won't know until I die.
What are your thoughts on the cruelty portrayed by our creator in the old testament. How does that make you feel about him.
Originally posted by MichaelDII
reply to post by favouriteslave
I do not believe that "god" in the Old testament is the same as the creator of our universe or multiverses for that matter, I understand, and at one time, had a problem with what you call god "ego", certainly serving His will and forgetting ours seems on the surface to be egotistical. Do you have a problem with accepting that you are not the most intelligent being around? Do you have children? Can you remember your own parents? Is the will of the child to be as great as the parents? Do children know whats best for themselves? You focus alot on the suffering and death and seemingly horrible things that are preached in the bible and that which is occurring today which leaves me wondering if you read my posts on page 28, for me, even though what I typed is just a simplified version, when I learned this it humbled me and made me not have a problem with casting my will aside and start to move in the direction that I should be, His will. If you are not willing to do that then so be it but at the same time what are you doing to help the people who are doing all these horrible things here and now? Are you just sitting and typing and complaining or are you trying to help your fellow man regardless of your beliefs in whatever? Undeniably, the task of trying to help all the evil hearts in the world seems daunting, but unless you are trying to help you are part of the problem, the problem you are complaining about. If you are trying to help those that need it for our species benefit, then there is no need to make complaints for at least you are doing something about it. God and the Creator (Our Father) are not one and the same. Read my posts on page 28.
Originally posted by Totakeke
Originally posted by favouriteslave
I like your way of thinking! For me that is easier to swallow than what traditional Christianity has taught. We can only hope that is the case and it is that easy. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I live a good life, if heaven were to present itself to me, I'd take it.
I'm agnostic. I don't believe a god has been proven or not. If he exists I cannot claim he is good. I don't know if a "heaven" or "hell" exists, it has not been proven. I won't know until I die.
What are your thoughts on the cruelty portrayed by our creator in the old testament. How does that make you feel about him.
Traditional Christianity isn't "hard to swallow". It's very simple. You have to acknowledge that you're a sinner, repent your sins, and accept Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry to say that God wouldn't present Heaven to you. The "I won't know until I die" attitude is dangerous, because when you stand before God on judgment day it'll be too late. You will have to give an account of everything you've ever done, said, and even thought. If you haven't accepted Christ God will say, "(Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,) Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:." Matthew 25:41 KJV
Originally posted by Totakeke
Originally posted by favouriteslave
I like your way of thinking! For me that is easier to swallow than what traditional Christianity has taught. We can only hope that is the case and it is that easy. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I live a good life, if heaven were to present itself to me, I'd take it.
I'm agnostic. I don't believe a god has been proven or not. If he exists I cannot claim he is good. I don't know if a "heaven" or "hell" exists, it has not been proven. I won't know until I die.
What are your thoughts on the cruelty portrayed by our creator in the old testament. How does that make you feel about him.
Traditional Christianity isn't "hard to swallow". It's very simple. You have to acknowledge that you're a sinner, repent your sins, and accept Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry to say that God wouldn't present Heaven to you. The "I won't know until I die" attitude is dangerous, because when you stand before God on judgment day it'll be too late. You will have to give an account of everything you've ever done, said, and even thought. If you haven't accepted Christ God will say, "(Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,) Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:." Matthew 25:41 KJV
Originally posted by favouriteslave
So be it! God knows my true heart with or without the bogus teachings of the new testament. I won't lose sleep over it, I know where I stand.
And thank you for the very sweet way of telling me I will burn in hell.
Originally posted by Totakeke
Originally posted by favouriteslave
I like your way of thinking! For me that is easier to swallow than what traditional Christianity has taught. We can only hope that is the case and it is that easy. I'm not gonna hold my breath. I live a good life, if heaven were to present itself to me, I'd take it.
I'm agnostic. I don't believe a god has been proven or not. If he exists I cannot claim he is good. I don't know if a "heaven" or "hell" exists, it has not been proven. I won't know until I die.
What are your thoughts on the cruelty portrayed by our creator in the old testament. How does that make you feel about him.
Traditional Christianity isn't "hard to swallow". It's very simple. You have to acknowledge that you're a sinner, repent your sins, and accept Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry to say that God wouldn't present Heaven to you. The "I won't know until I die" attitude is dangerous, because when you stand before God on judgment day it'll be too late. You will have to give an account of everything you've ever done, said, and even thought. If you haven't accepted Christ God will say, "(Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,) Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:." Matthew 25:41 KJV
[edit on 6-7-2009 by favouriteslave]
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
im an atheist, and if somehow god did exist and asked why i didnt believe i would ask him why he didnt make himself clearer. i dont know what it would take to convince me that god deserves our praise or even exists, but god would know. and if he doesnt provide that for me or anyone, then doesnt he damn us to hell because he was inadequate?
Originally posted by Totakeke
reply to post by jfj123
So what you're saying is that you would not have a problem, going to jail for a crime your great, great grandfather committed? You'd think it was fair, YES ?
Perhaps I should've explained it a little better (I'm always learning as a Christian). Being born with original sin just means being born sinful in nature. As hard as we try not to sin we all will at one point.