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Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by XXXN3O
I see an image.
Why do you ask?
Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by Totakeke
I just find a literal understanding of the world a delusion. If we took everything literal we could not take a joke, understand sayings and we could not understand parables.
Free will is having a choice to choose what you believe or want to do.
If someone has a gun pointing at you, you can choose to try and take the gun off them or you can choose to accept your getting shot. Sometimes your free will is effected by anothers just like you can affect another persons.
Literal understandings ie, free will without consequence just does not make sense.
Hence why I posted a picture of a mirror reflection looking away, many people do not understand art, that does not mean it does not exist. Some would call that strawman theory, some would call it a good argument. Its all conrflakes.
We do have free will and it has consequences.
[edit on 5-7-2009 by XXXN3O]
Originally posted by XXXN3O
Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by XXXN3O
I see an image.
Why do you ask?
I ask because I see a person who is turning there back on themselves through greed.
Just because you see an image or I see something different does not mean it does not exist.
If you look at the world literally it will not make sense. Free will allows us to even have both opposing points of view. If we did not have free will you and I would agree with everyone and everything because we would have no choice.
Sometimes your free will is effected by anothers just like you can affect another persons.
Causality is the process of making something happen. Often it denotes a necessary relationship between one event (called cause) and another event (called effect) which is the direct consequence of the first.[1] This two event type of causality is known as accidental causality. Another variety, essential causality, has one event seen in two ways. Aristotle's example of essential causality is a builder building a house.[2] This single event can be analyzed into the builder building (cause) and the house being built (effect).
The question of free will is whether, and in what sense, rational agents exercise control over their actions and decisions. Addressing this question requires understanding the relationship between freedom and cause, and determining whether the laws of nature are causally deterministic. The various philosophical positions taken differ on whether all events are determined or not — determinism versus indeterminism — and also on whether freedom can coexist with determinism or not — compatibilism versus incompatibilism. So, for instance, 'hard determinists' argue that the universe is deterministic, and that this makes free will impossible.
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by XXXN3O
Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by XXXN3O
I see an image.
Why do you ask?
I ask because I see a person who is turning there back on themselves through greed.
Just because you see an image or I see something different does not mean it does not exist.
If you look at the world literally it will not make sense. Free will allows us to even have both opposing points of view. If we did not have free will you and I would agree with everyone and everything because we would have no choice.
There's a big difference between making a CHOICE and having free will.
They're not the same thing.
Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by jfj123
With all due respect I think you are not seeing the big picture.
We have a plan for happiness and true peace set before us.
It is by following this path set forth by the one who KNOWS the
right way to live that promotes peace and true happiness.
Everyone has freewill yes, but if that choice leads to death,
wouldn't you have to agree that is not the right way to live?
You have a choice whether you live forever or die a sinner.
Without Jesus we had no choice. We were dead already.
Seems to me we should be thanking him everyday for giving us another chance.
BTW, our choices today WILL effect our future generations just like
our ancestors' choices did. Thats how it works. Ah...choices!
Because people have the free will to choose. God can't make the decision for us.
Nothing about consequences in there. Free will means you have the power to choose. People can choose to either accept Christ or reject Christ.
But you can still choose, can you not?
Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by Totakeke
But you can still choose, can you not?
No... I CAN NOT. I have railroaded and buffaloed into every decision I have had to make- and a couple where I forced an opposite outcome, the laws of the universe themselves were bent up like a pretzel to accommodate GOD'S way of doing it! Leaving me screwed. My best example to date was the person I found who was really interested in me, WANTED to marry me, and then, she gets punished with foreclosure and sickness! a frigging week after she tells me how she feels- and now, I hardly get to talk to her, let alone SEE her anymore.
How in the hell is that a free will choice? Or is that ok because you self indulgent churchies can get away with murder and rationalize the suffering of others with some well placed, practiced quips?
Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by jfj123
With all due respect I think you are not seeing the big picture.
We have a plan for happiness and true peace set before us.
It is by following this path set forth by the one who KNOWS the
right way to live that promotes peace and true happiness.
Everyone has freewill yes, but if that choice leads to death,
wouldn't you have to agree that is not the right way to live?
You have a choice whether you live forever or die a sinner.
Without Jesus we had no choice. We were dead already.
Seems to me we should be thanking him everyday for giving us another chance.