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Originally posted by rival
You say God, but you mention fire and brimstone, so you are
referring to the Christian God of the Bible. I won't argue the bible
because Christian-theists and non-believers have debated
the bible for centuries. It is a pointless endeavor to attempt
to reconcile religion and science until we humans know much more
about our universe.
But here is a possible answer to the question, "Why are we here?"
...We are here for the experience.
If you believe that life exists beyond the grave, than this is the only logical answer.
It is the only logical answer as to why God allows suffering, happiness,
failure, or success. Because each of these experiences are unique onto
themselves and each must be experienced individually to be completely
If you try to imagine an eternity of happiness, devoid of any sadness, you
will find it impossible because sadness gives happiness perspective.
This answer "We are here for the experience" is the only answer
that is adequate for all questions. We are here to experience pain and
pleasure, and to learn, and grow, and become more than what we were
It answers why God allows a child to be born malformed, or to die of
starvation. It answers why some are born into luxury while others toil
as slaves...for the experience.
We are here, and everything alive is here...for the experience.
Our purpose is to experience it all, so that we can truly experience
Originally posted by dgtempe
reply to post by octotom
Deep in my heart i know there is a
God. But today i have some questions. I appreciate all you have said. You are very wise and i am probably going to be punished for questioning God.
I dont want to feel like this, i really dont.
I guess i have this feeling of an impending punishment comming to all of us, even the innocent and i cant grasp why we all have to pay for the culpability of Governments and their agendas.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by badmedia
But it still hurts.
Kidney stones hurt. glaucoma and going blind hurts. heart problems hurt.
I'm talking physically and spiritually.
If my child was in pain and I could do something about it ... I would.
I dont' understand why a 'loving Father' leaves the world in pain.
I TRY to understand ... but I can't.
Originally posted by C0mmonen5e
Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by FlyersFan
But such things do not describe you. They describe your flesh.
Think of you body as being like a car. You drive it around, but the car is not you, it's just a vessel.
Such things don't describe you, they describe your experience. If I get a geo metro or a ferrari, neither of them defines me. But they will define my experience.
You should definitely recommend the source that told you this. You got that right out of THE HANDBOOK FO THE NAVIGATOR.
These have all been neatly bundled together in one book with many many editions, called a bible.
There are some scriptures that discuss this god, that have been discovered after the bibles were first edited and some of them had previously been rejected by the early editors of the bibles as they didn't fit in with what they wanted the bibles to say. Some of these texts are known as the gnostic gospels and are no less valid reading than any other material which discusses yahweh jesus.
You will probably learn very quickly that the authors of the bible are unknown
,And that the centuries old claim by xtians that the bibles were the actual words of the yahwehjesus god have since been dropped through lack of evidence, in favour of the bibles being "inspired" by the yahweh jesus god.
However xtians are pretty much split upon "which" parts of the bibles were inspired by yahweh jesus.
You will often find that xtians favour the "nice bits " of the bibles being inspired by jesus god and the "nasty bits " being inspired by a demon or yawhe or satan, if you follow me here.
I lost a woman I loved dearly to another guy. I have been given the whole line, song and dance about 'free will!'- yet- I have tried for 20 YEARS to find a wife- and crap I cant even begin to explain happens each time I find someone. Prayer? DOES NOT WORK. I have prayed to be let loose from the hell of being alone- and all I have been greeted with is silence. It, however doesn't stop God from 'allowing' dreams about my ex g/f every so often. Vivid, lifelike dreams that make me wake up screaming. I have tried for more 'solid' answers to prayers- money to get my car fixed, and some to get my life back together. Guess what? I am left to suffer, as usual.
Now... I notice- if you have money, and a lot of family, you get whatever your dark little heart desires. Then you get to be called a "Christian" and drive a nice car to church. If you're poor, and drive a clunker, you're barely tolerated in their little rich clique. Women of God shun you. The guys make jokes behind your back. All the while, tho- to your face, you're told to hang in there, and 'stand'..
Here's a PERFECT example of what I mean. I was having an 'alone' day- and I mentioned it to the pastor about how tired I was of being alone, no family, no one at all. Pay attention: He got into his big, fancy car with his family, looked me square in the eye, and said- AND I QUOTE: "Jesus never said it was easy" AND DROVE AWAY, LEAVING ME THERE. ALONE.
Some loving God I (used) to serve, huh? My landlord- Christian- stole me BLIND. Did he get away with it? The man's now retired, and doing cruises once a month! Know what I got? Disability, food stamps, and the ability to barely stay alive. My dream of a good, solid job I could truly enjoy? GONE. 24 YEARS of nonstop prayer of wanting to work at one place- and it's so shot fulla lead, it's no longer a dream, it's a F*ing PENCIL! My ex boss- wife, 12 kids, cash coming out his ears. Christian. Made 'gay' jokes at my expense. I liked his oldest daughter, she ripped me open like a med student on a cadaver. Anything I told her in confidence, got back to daddy for him to screw me with. Where was God? Off on his coffee break, I guess.
Originally posted by dgtempe
He made us, damn it. Why did he make us FLAWED. Its HIS fault.
Originally posted by jvm222
Suffering leads to understanding and growth or suppression and then regression.
Originally posted by badmedia
I went into the gas chamber, and all was good, I had my mask on and so forth. Well dummy me when they told us to take our masks off, I for some dumb reason forgot to get 1 last good breathe of air.
And my boots rubbed blisters on the back of my foot. I grinned and beared it for so long, that I was getting blisters on top of blisters.