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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 03:05 PM by larphillips
Originally posted by WinoBot
And everyone who is scared who owns guns, if you arn't doing anything wrong they won't take them away....


I think you miss the point as to what 'freedom' and 'liberty' truly mean. Your logic should also mean that it is OK to tap everyone's phone, read everyone's mail, search everyone's home, pull over every driver, read everyone's diary, audit everyone's personal finances, etc. I mean, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about... right?

WRONG!

Our Constitution is supposed to protect us from things... allowing us our personal freedoms and privacy. This country was founded on INNOCENT until proven guilty.

Take this all one step further... what was once legal can very easily become illegal. There was a time in this country where it was legal to make and sell alchohol. The laws changed, then those very same people became criminals overnight if they continued doing what they had done the day before. Same for not wearing your seatbelt or helmet. Same for smoking in a bar. Same for buying an AK47 after the Clinton gun ban. I could go on and on here.

It's very easy to claim that you are a law abiding citizen while they criminalize something that you don't do or enjoy. It's much harder once they criminalize something that you do do or enjoy.

Don't ever make the argument that "if you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about." Sooner or later, that attitude will bite you or someone you know and love right in the rear, and hard.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 04:28 PM by esecallum
reply to post by larphillips


Listen to yourself.

guns kill people.

guns function is to kill people.

no need for them at all.

they should be banned and destroyed and the factories destroyed.

no more guns.

no need for guns.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 04:42 PM by larphillips
Originally posted by esecallum
reply to post by larphillips


Listen to yourself.

guns kill people.

guns function is to kill people.

no need for them at all.

they should be banned and destroyed and the factories destroyed.

no more guns.

no need for guns.


OK, when you make a universal ban, wave a magic wand, and make every gun on the planet disappear, then perhaps your point would be valid. Until that time happens, tell me how you intend to protect yourself, your property, and your loved ones when the time comes that the only people around who have guns are criminals? Look at Mexico as a prime example of this. Guns are illegal to own in Mexico, so the drug cartels do essentially what they want... the populace is helpless.

What happens when law enforcement and/or the military decide that they'd rather run things and oppress you? Who would you turn to? Who would stand to defend you? The very threat of a well-armed populace ensures that the forces of tyrrany be held at bay. It is a necessary balance. It is mutually assured destruction.

Oh, and a gun's only function is not to kill people. They are also used for sport, for hunting, for collecting, for history, and for investment. To boil a gun down to one single outcome also means that, by your logic, the same could be said for diet soda, fast food, cigarettes, automobiles, aircraft, risky sex, extreme sports, etc... all of which kill more people worldwide (well, aside from probably aircraft) than gun violence.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:09 PM by mikerussellus
Originally posted by esecallum
reply to post by larphillips


Listen to yourself.

guns kill people.

guns function is to kill people.

no need for them at all.

they should be banned and destroyed and the factories destroyed.

no more guns.

no need for guns.


Would love to visit the planet where you live. I would love to have a society where guns aren't known.

Unfortunately, this is earth.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:12 PM by DaMod
reply to post by esecallum


Ah yes, the old guns kill people lets get rid of them argument.

So if some guy gets a gun on the black market and comes into my house where I don't have a gun and he wants to rape my wife, wouldn't a gun have come in handy in a situation like that?

Most people (such as myself) do not use their guns to kill people. They use them for hunting, self defense, and to pop a few rounds off at a target for recreation. Can you hear yourself? Most gangs in the united states do not purchase guns legally. If someone can have a gun to attack, someone else needs a gun to defend, plain and simple. Remember the response time of most police stations suck ace. A bullet goes a few thousand feet per second, a cop goes 55 - 80 mph and is further away.......
See a problem here?

Another thing. If my government decides to take away all my rights and essentially make me a slave, how am I supposed to do anything about it? The American people have to be able to defend themselves against their government, or anything goes... No quartering of troops? Ha that will be long gone. Freedom of religion and speech? Dream on! Whats a fair and speedy trial? Miranda rights? PFFT. It's amazing what a little black powder and lead will keep people from doing.

I personally do not want to end up like the UK with a camera on every street corner, easily able to peer inside peoples homes. No rights to privacy? No rights to be an individual? Sure people use guns for bad bad things, but people like me should not have to give up my security for those people.



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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:39 PM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by Styki

Exactly. It's long overdue for them to crack down, they should have begun doing this long ago. People get arrested pretty regularly committing crimes with weapons they have bought illegally that were used in previous crimes. I guarantee you that you can walk into a bar or social club in any bad part of town and buy an unregistered weapon.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:54 PM by ghoulardi
reply to post by CleverNameHere


Originally posted by CleverNameHere
I would love to see them try to take my guns away.

Flagged.


I would love to see what you would do about it.

I'm not saying you wouldn't do anything, but we hear things like that from every single gun owner at one time or another. Unfortunately, It makes me think to myself that not much could or would really be done at all by the ones who say that. Probably because not much has been done about any other freedoms that have been stripped away from us. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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