Originally posted by Solofront
I just bought a 500 round box of 5.56's last saturday.

And cause of this article I'm going to go buy another this weekend.

That'll put you on a "list."

Me, too.

Originally posted by Styki

So basically unless you buying weapons and selling them to real thugs and murderers then you have nothing to worry about. They are not looking for people who are buying weapons for themselves, they are looking for people who are selling weapons to people who for whatever reason cannot buy weapons for themselves.

But whatever, lets just chalk up another point for the "evil" government.

Don't you get it? It's not really about 'law-abiding citizens' allegedly trafficking guns. It's about TPTB (or to be blunt: The President and his goons) finding cause to limit, and eventually eliminate, the U.S. citizens' ability to take up arms.

They can't simply make a new law, to make guns illegal. They ABSOLUTELY have to go around the legal system. Our administration is made up of lawyers, so they know what they are doing!

The drug cartel are NOT getting any, I will retype that...ANY of their weapons from normal u.s. citizens, who legally purchase these weapons.

The only people who maybe reaching over the border to ask an American for help with gun purchase, are citizens of Mexico; who are being raped, murdered, and brutalized, by the cartel.

The drug cartel get their weapons from the Mexican military. They break into military annexes, make deals with crooked military, and/or kill a Mexican soldier; and take his weapons. BTW, the Mexican military gets their weapons from.....you guessed it! THE U.S.A. But, don't be so easily deceived, as it's the U.S. government who is donating weapons to the Mexican military and police.

Another large percentage of weapons seized, are being linked to Pakistan and a few other ME places.

The U.S. weapons they are uncovering, don't have serial numbers. These guns are not from any U.S. gun shop.

The only U.S. citizen-purchased weapons, making a trek across the border, are the guns the average Joe (er, Jose) bring over to protect their families and businesses. Since guns are illegal in Mexico (go figure :@@ ) the average citizen only has two choices, in protecting his family. One: Purchase from the scumbag drug lords, who then know exactly what you're packing. Two: Purchase (albeit illegally) from some U.S. shmoe, dumb enough (or brave enough) to risk his freedom in making a few bucks on what is already over-priced. What could the mark-up be? I would doubt it's anything substantial, given today's gun and ammo prices.

So, this story is malarky! Don't buy it.

BTW, something to think about; we're discussing Mexico and their violence and they obviously need something to protect their family. The police and military just can't do it; and guns are ILLEGAL.

Know why we Americans will do what ever is necessary to keep our guns? Because we know what to expect, when they're gone.

Our neighbor is getting raped and we're expected to turn a blind eye? If any one of us is caught helping out the victim, we ALL risk losing our own security. "Johnny if I catch you with another spit ball, the whole class will have to stay late!"

People who are legally in the United States and have clean criminal records, but are facing economic problems are often recruited by traffickers to buy weapons on their behalf in order to shield themselves from scrutiny.

Yeah, I like the way they decided to word this spin-fest!


Edit: Oy, so many spelling and grammatical errors. Probably still are, but I really have to get back to my paper. (Dang it, ATS. You keep distracting me!)

[edit on 1-7-2009 by SourGrapes]

efforts at gun control are meaningless

If you want them out of office or things to change...

enough people TOGETHER simply needs to march on Washington

if 2-5 Million people walk to the white house quietly and calmly and walk through the gate, the whole situation will end, they will NOT shoot 10's of thousands of us on National Television

stockpiling guns against the Federal Govt is ridiculous, alone in your home with a bunch of guns is HOW they will get you

Organization and simple peaceful rebellion would be most effective...

Taking on the ATF with your wife and kids in the back room is ridiculous

Be vocal, use your free speech give them no reason to be able to attack you...

That would work...

I have to say, a couple of years ago I bought three (3) AK47's and a shotgun in one day. I bought them on sale at a gun store for $200 each brand new, and now the AK's are worth at least $600 each.

Anyway, I gave the store owner my concealed license (in FL) and he gave me my guns and 2000 rounds of ammo!!! He probably sold more than 100 Saiga's that day!

No waiting, no hassle, and never contacted by the police. I was actually waiting for the visit or call from the ATF, but nothing ever happened!

I hear these stories a lot, but my personal experience has always been great!

My best friend took an extra year to get his concealed license because of an old restraining order from a fight in highschool in another state, but eventually it was all cleared up, and he now carries without any problem.

Big suprise here, government agencies trying to take away the one thing that keeps them in check.

Love how some people are always gonna say Well, if you are a law abiding citizen blah blah blah" yeah, and if i have nothing to hide i should just throw open my doors and invite the cps in to search whenever they please right?

We have warrants and rights for a reason people, let's not allow those to be eroded away in the name of "Safety" and "Security"

Well if you don't buy the story then I can see where you are coming from. Also, I don't know the technical details of the story but if they are not legally allowed to search the houses then they are wrong. The story said that the agents were not in uniform, with their guns in there waist bands and no warrants. I am not exactly convinced that they had no warrants what so ever or if this was just a mistake lost in some colorful writing describing then as undercover.

The laws need to be followed whether it's the authorities following them or just the everyday citizen.

Another thing that I am not quite sure of is what people are making this article out to be. It's not an article written to describe the authorities as out of control, (I could tell Sour Grapes picked up on that). All of the quotes I posted were found in the article posted by the OP. With that being the case would you even want MSM running this story? I don't think it's intentions are what I believe some people are thinking.

I am also not going to sit here and watch people rights be taken away under the claim that those people did something wrong thinking that's ok until it happens to me. I just don't think this story gives out enough information for me to believe that there is wrong doing in this case. I'm just the type of guy that is going to need more information before I jump to conclusions.

Relax people, this isn't confirmed yet.

We need more sources to actually confirm if they are searching our homes to take away our weapons that we don't need.

Go investigate and don't jump to conclusions so soon.

Alot of people on here voted the democrats into office and if you did then this is YOUR fault. With Bush at lease we knew we could keep our guns.

The only question now is: How is your rock throwing skills

[edit on 1-7-2009 by Alien Mind]

Originally posted by Alien Mind
Alot of people on here voted the democrats into office and if you did then this is YOUR fault. With Bush at lease we knew we could keep our guns.

The only question now is: How is your rock throwing skills

[edit on 1-7-2009 by Alien Mind]

Personally i can hit a person at thirty or fourty yards if the rock is big enough. then again I may or may not know a law abiding citizen who lives on a decent piece of land in the middle of virginia that "Collects" firearms and has for about thirty years, so I won't have to worry about throwing a rock myself.

Oh and I doubt bushie was gonna let us keep our guns much longer either. They are all controlled by the same people, the people that don't want us to have our guns to protect our rights.

[edit on 7/1/2009 by Finn1916]

Originally posted by Alien Mind
Alot of people on here voted the democrats into office and if you did then this is YOUR fault. With Bush at lease we knew we could keep our guns.

The only question now is: How is your rock throwing skills

[edit on 1-7-2009 by Alien Mind]

Maybe we can get those chimps from Africa to throw sticks and spheres.


..Yes, I mean the actual Chimps.

consumer profiling..man that sucks.

So, we now know they are compiling and databasing the information on these supposed temporary forms to pinpoint weapons purchasers under the guise of stopping American guns crossing the border into Mexico. This is exactly what I thought would happen under Barry.

I don't see the problem here. These agents didn't do a search. They knocked on the door, no one answered except a pit bull. They left. So what? They didn't barge in and toss the place, looking for weapons. They didn't grab the owner or tenant and take them in. They knocked on a door. Then they talked to neighbors.

None of this violates anyone's civil rights. It's perfectly acceptable for law enforcement officials to knock on a door. It's acceptable to do surveillance. It's OK to talk to neighbors trying to find out more information. That's what cops do for a living, among many other things. Nothing the least bit sinister so far.

Remember, they were there, not because the person was poor, yet was buying expensive firearms. They were already under suspicion from other sources. They're not saying, "Don't buy firearms". They're just saying, "If you buy firearms, you should either still have them, or know who you sold them to, or have filed a police report if they were stolen". There is nothing unreasonable about requiring firearm owners to be responsible for the firearms they buy.

Finally some good news. I'm glad they are doing this. If their are American citizens selling guns to Mexican cartels, how isn't that treason? They should find these people and shoot them. And everyone who is scared who owns guns, if you arn't doing anything wrong they won't take them away.... Once they start snatching them from people for no reason and it's documented then I will believe you guys.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Relax people, this isn't confirmed yet.

We need more sources to actually confirm if they are searching our homes to take away our weapons that we don't need.

Go investigate and don't jump to conclusions so soon.

The question is, "will this get confirmed?" This is an investigative piece written by a local reporter. It's a local story. The MSM isn't going to pick this story up and run with it. Fox may or may not, but you won't see it anywhere else, I'm afraid. Does it have real, national implications? You bet it does; but TPTB don't want this out there. They want precedent set, first.