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Topic started on 1-7-2009 @ 04:43 AM by Champagne

Video: Democrats refuse to stand for Pledge of Allegiance
posted at 1:35 pm on June 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Democrats refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance! In this case, though, the context actually improves the story. This takes place in Albany, where the New York state Senate remains locked in a power struggle in an evenly divided chamber. Rather than an insult to American patriotism, the Democrats here engaged in an insult to the intelligence of New Yorkers:

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Is petulance the highest form of patriotism? After all, according to the Democratic leader of the California assembly, dissent is apparently now terrorism. Maybe the Democrats on the other coast want to make tantrums and sandbox tactics into democracy.

INSANITY!!! If you choose to make this about Dems vs Reps, feel free. However, I refuse to do so. As far as I am concerned, I posted this to show to continuing unAmerican behavior by our POLITICIANS - period!!

I hope every NYer sees this video and holds these a-holes accountable. God the state of government, within the USA, is declining at a remarkable rate of speed! I am sooooo sick of the politicans currently running our country - on every level. They need to be removed from office - by force if necessary - and replced by regular folks in each juristiction across this country. IMHO, that is!!

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 04:49 AM by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

oh no, people acted well within their rights and didnt stand for the pledge. next thing you know people will be using their freedom of speech and they'll worship whomever they want!

fixed a typo

[edit on 1-7-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:34 AM by Champagne

So........what is your point?!!??!!? That it is just wonderful that we have people representing us that will not pledge to us??

Our flag, in my mind, represents the people of the US as much as anything else! If our politicians refused to respect the very reason they are there, then you are saying that is good??

No damn wonder this country is in the condition it is today! No wonder is seems to be a lost cause when we have so many people who, themselves, seem to have no respect for the traditions of their own country!!

Now go ahead.......and demonize me for believing in the traditions that have been a part of making this a once great nation. God, Family, Country is no more according to many. Makes me sick....but I, totally, understand why the US is not the nation it use to be. What is worse? The politicians or the people themselves?

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:09 AM by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

chill out before you have a heart attack. they are within their rights, and youre saying "whats my point?!"

my point is we are guaranteed rights and that is part of what makes america great. i dont see why youre having such a problem with people exercising their rights.

And the "they arent pledging loyalty to us" argument is weak. not standing up has nothing to do with their loyalty. standing up to say the pledge is ONE expression of loyalty, not proof of whether someone is loyal or not.

calm down and dont get so upset over people exercising their rights.
this is like that moronic "the american flag lapel pin" nonsense.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:29 AM by Kaytagg

Originally posted by Champagne
Our flag, in my mind, represents the people of the US as much as anything else!

The flag does not represent me. I'm not sure why some colored fabric would represent you, either.

No damn wonder this country is in the condition it is today! No wonder is seems to be a lost cause when we have so many people who, themselves, seem to have no respect for the traditions of their own country!!

The pledge was not written by lawmakers or politicians, but rather by a socialist minister by the name of Francis Bellamy in 1892.
Mandatory recitation of it strikes me as a tad socialist, as the flag symbolizes the state and not the people. (Note: I'm not saying a little socialism is a bad thing, in some cases)

Now go ahead.......and demonize me for believing in the traditions that have been a part of making this a once great nation. God, Family, Country is no more according to many. Makes me sick....but I, totally, understand why the US is not the nation it use to be. What is worse? The politicians or the people themselves?

I find it hilarious that people blame "not saying the pledge" as the root of this countries problems. Last I checked, we were the richest nation in the world, by far. What about us isn't great? Is it that you're getting lower wages, working more hours, having less savings, and politicians always seem to represent big business instead of the will of the people?

Well, who's fault is that? Is it people who don't believe in god or don't recite the pledge, or is it the Fortune 500 companies who hire lobbyists to write the laws and elect the congress?

There's plenty of blame to go around, but assigning it to "not reciting the pledge" is the most asinine one you could possibly think of.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:52 AM by Xtinguish

I understand what you are saying OP and I agree with you.

America just isn't the same country. Tradition is dying, the people have become apathetic, and excuse the simplicity of my wording but ignorant. Sure, you can talk about rights and whatever and that is true. But your talking about ignoring the very thing which represents those rights.

Here's is what is ignorant about those who refused to rise. What about those who paid for our right to fly that flag. What about their respect? That is who I rise for, that is who I remember when I stand before the flag. Shame on those people who refused to stand to honor those who sacrificed themselves for what they believed in.

OP, the once great nation of America is bleeding to death. No one wants to remember it any more.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 11:16 AM by Floating thru Reality

America never was or is about a brightly colored peice of cloth. Things would be a lot easier if it was about repeating a pledge to a scrap of cloth, but it's just a meaningless symbol. At this point in time the only way I would display a flag is upside down.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 11:24 AM by jd140

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

Of course they are within their rights not to stand for the pledge of allegiance. I wouldn't make a big deal out of this if they were simply exercising their rights. However, this was done simply because the Republicans were the ones saying the pledge. Anything done in spite is wrong.

You can plainly see one man try to stand up and put his hand over his heart in respect to the pledge and you can also plainly see two others pull him back down.

Does he not have the right to go against his party and do what is right?

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 11:29 AM by nine0099thousand

Who does he think he is? Only 11 votes! It's not like we are operating a donut factory people!! For 17 years, the only thing coming from that place has been sludge and petty theft~ The bottom line is: He can die peacefully when we say he can. Matter fact, I think there should be a vote on it.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 11:34 AM by groingrinder

How did these gangsters get elected? These bums are worse than the Crips and the Bloods. Look how they intimidate to get their way. Throw the dirty conspirators out. Send them to Iran. What a bunch of losers. Americans need to get these gangsters out of office and replace them with patriotic citizen statesmen who love their country.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:50 PM by jsobecky

reply to post by Xtinguish

Originally posted by Xtinguish
I understand what you are saying OP and I agree with you.

Count me in also.

And to those who say that the flag is nothing more than a multi-colored piece of cloth, well...the human body is nothing more than a couple of dollars worth of chemicals. So nobody should get upset if a body is wasted, by your logic.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:09 PM by dgtempe

I have to say that if today, i was asked to sing the American Anthem, or Pledge Alligeance, i WOULD NOT.
I dont care if the president was green, black, white or purple.

We have ended up in a very bad place, and until someone does something to have it fixed, and shows Patriotism to ME, I will NOT SHOW IT BACK.

To me, all these things symbolize alleagance to the country, which i have.
The country is run by whomever we supposedly elect, and so far,
i dont see the president of the most important country on Earth, show ME that he is going to fix anything,
Or show ME that he cares about my welfare
Or show ME that he is worthy of my respect.

As far as i'm concerned, this is NOT America now. WE are people WITHOUT A COUNTRY THANKS TO THOSE WHO RUN IT.

Let me know when we have our country back, and i'll be the first to say the pledge, fly the flag and sing songs about our country.

I dont think this is just the "lefties" either. Republicans feel the same.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:34 PM by Floating thru Reality

reply to post by jsobecky

Are you actually saying you don't know the difference between a human life and a rectangular peice of cloth? Do you not understand that a symbol is only the representation of something else?

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:44 PM by jsobecky

Originally posted by Floating thru Reality
reply to post by jsobecky

Are you actually saying you don't know the difference between a human life and a rectangular peice of cloth?

No, what I'm saying is that *you* don't understand that a mere piece of cloth symbolizes much more than an arrangement of thread.

[edit on 1-7-2009 by jsobecky]

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:52 PM by Xtinguish

Originally posted by dgtempe
I have to say that if today, i was asked to sing the American Anthem, or Pledge Alligeance, i WOULD NOT.
I dont care if the president was green, black, white or purple.

We have ended up in a very bad place, and until someone does something to have it fixed, and shows Patriotism to ME, I will NOT SHOW IT BACK.

To me, all these things symbolize alleagance to the country, which i have.
The country is run by whomever we supposedly elect, and so far,
i dont see the president of the most important country on Earth, show ME that he is going to fix anything,
Or show ME that he cares about my welfare
Or show ME that he is worthy of my respect.

As far as i'm concerned, this is NOT America now. WE are people WITHOUT A COUNTRY THANKS TO THOSE WHO RUN IT.

Let me know when we have our country back, and i'll be the first to say the pledge, fly the flag and sing songs about our country.

I dont think this is just the "lefties" either. Republicans feel the same.

That is the most ignorant post I've read so far.

Until someone does something to fix it? That's America to you? Someone else will do it? Really?

You won't salute the flag because you don't like the elected president? What? Since when did the president signify America? By your logic America changes values, principles, and traditions every four to eight years. If that is what you believe then you have no business saluting the flag, because clearly you don't understand it's representation. The flag has nothing to do with who is president, or any elected official. It transcends left and right, it's a symbol of something unique and great.

The quoted post above is yet another example of a worsening problem in America. Ignorance. How can people expect to keep something they don't even respect anymore? Very sad.

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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:52 PM by jsobecky

reply to post by dgtempe

Originally posted by dgtempe
I have to say that if today, i was asked to sing the American Anthem, or Pledge Alligeance, i WOULD NOT.
I dont care if the president was green, black, white or purple.

We have ended up in a very bad place, and until someone does something to have it fixed, and shows Patriotism to ME, I will NOT SHOW IT BACK.

DG, don't make the mistake of equating the nation with the politicians. I know you love the US, and the principles it was founded upon. Those in charge do not represent what we love and are proud of.

PS: How ya doin? Haven't heard from you in a while...

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:57 PM by jsobecky

reply to post by Xtinguish

What you are seeing in dg's post is just frustration. I know dgtempe; she is a wonderful, dedicated person who landed here after escaping some very bad conditions under a dictator. She is just worn out from seeing year after year of the US sliding into mediocrity because of poor leadership.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:02 PM by Xtinguish

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by Xtinguish

What you are seeing in dg's post is just frustration. I know dgtempe; she is a wonderful, dedicated person who landed here after escaping some very bad conditions under a dictator. She is just worn out from seeing year after year of the US sliding into mediocrity because of poor leadership.

Be that as it may it doesn't help.

I'm Frustrated. We are all frustrated. Turning to an incorrect system of beliefs just to make things easier has us defeated already.

reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:14 PM by JulieMills

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

chill out before you have a heart attack. they are within their rights, and youre saying "whats my point?!"

my point is we are guaranteed rights and that is part of what makes america great. i dont see why youre having such a problem with people exercising their rights.

And the "they arent pledging loyalty to us" argument is weak. not standing up has nothing to do with their loyalty. standing up to say the pledge is ONE expression of loyalty, not proof of whether someone is loyal or not.

calm down and dont get so upset over people exercising their rights.
this is like that moronic "the american flag lapel pin" nonsense.

Fine for you and me but these people are hired by us and entrusted by us to represent us and NOT their point of view and THEIR freedom of speech. They are held to a higher degree of accountability, they should refrain from acting childish and disrespecting the flag and country. I know you kow this but maybe you forgot.

reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 11:35 AM by Sharker524

Originally posted by Kaytagg

The pledge was not written by lawmakers or politicians, but rather by a socialist minister by the name of Francis Bellamy in 1892.
Mandatory recitation of it strikes me as a tad socialist, as the flag symbolizes the state and not the people. (Note: I'm not saying a little socialism is a bad thing, in some cases)

Not only that, but the words, "Under God" were not added until the 1950's...

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